Speaking for God - "The Unforgivable Sin"

So, do you really think that the Israelite/Hebrew/Jew God is the only God in the universe and that he only cares about a speck of ground and the people on it on a very small planet in an observable universe that has over 200 billion galaxies?

 

I don't mind your sideways accusations and demonization - so long as you back it up with something - but you hadn't . All you have did in your three previous posts is make accusations in an attempt to muddy the waters - and now you are projecting your issues onto others.

"The saved become born again" - No kidding - kind of the point of the resurrection is it not - that one is reborn after death ?

That does not tell us how one gets to be part of the saved group - how one gets to be in that number - when the saints go marching in.

Jesus says "Only those that do the will of the Father" get into heaven ... "Twirling around crying Jesus Jesus" will not do you any good according to Jesus as per Matt 7 - cited previously.

What does any of the above have to do with "Sola Fide" ? "Salvation by faith alone" doctrine ? do you believe this - or do you not ?

The saved do not live the same as before accepting, Salvation

Plenty of those who claim to be saved go around committing the unforgivable sin .. not a good formula for salvation IMO.

 

Why would you make such a ridiculous assumption ? I said nothing about what I personally believe. I merely stated a fact - the fact that neither you or I knows who God is, what God is, what God thinks, or if there is - or is not - a God.

Running around claiming defacto "There is no God" - is the same as - and just as as much fallacious gibberish as claiming defacto "There is a God " or "There is a God and his name is YHWH and this is what he thinks".

 

Nice load of bloviation and projection, so tell us, Oh scholar of the scriptures, what does the Bible call the "unforgivable sin"?

 

You are the one projecting - give one example of where I have done this - I can give many on your side. That and nonsense accusations and specious Ad hom. You can't deal with the information presented so you jump around from topic to topic like a yo yo.

The OP is about what my take on the unforgivable sin is... shall I quote my own OP for you ? "Putting false words into God's mouth"

 

And I thought you were such a font of wisdom on the Bible, yet you are unaware of the one, unforgivable sin? I guess you think the above, word salad is impressive? Much less true...

The unforgivable sin is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

Once again you can't seem to make a post without making a false accusation ... followed by a naked claim - one with no back-up.

Aside from the fact that putting false words into Gods mouth is a form of blasphemy.

Now back up your claim with something other than repetition of claim.

 

If you know as much as you pretend to know about Scriptures, you would not need a link, but since you obviously do not, here you go. So tell me, what is "false" about my statement?


“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” (Mark 3:28–29).
What is the unpardonable sin? I am afraid I may have ...

https://billygraham.org › answer › what-is-the-unpardonable-sin-i-am-afrai...
While there is an unforgivable sin, it is not one that a true believer in Jesus Christ can ... The one sin which God cannot forgive is mentioned in Mark 3:28-30 and ...


Blasphemy | Definition of Blasphemy by Merriam-Webster

https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › blasphemy
Sep 20, 2019 - 1a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God accused of blasphemy. b : the act of claiming the attributes of a deity for a mere man to suggest that he was … divine could only be viewed … as blasphemy— John Bright †1889. 2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable.

 

Jesus has just stated that speaking against him his not the unforgivable sin - then these people come back with speaking against Jesus was the unforgivable sin.

Obviously that is not it.

 

Please fix, the mangled, quote box. Your post is not mine. We can go from there.

 

One can find links that say just about anything you want - I want you to back up your claim with scripture. Not with the blubberings of some Evangelical wing nut - who does not back up his claims with scripture.

Matt 12: “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come..

What does your joke of a website say ?

"Instead of recognizing the source of Jesus’ power and accepting Him as God’s Son, the religious leaders accused Him of being possessed by the devil and driving demons out in the power of the devil".

Did those who wrote this not read the passage or are they just stupid?

Jesus has just stated that any kind of slander against him is not unforgivable sin - these folks then respond by saying speaking against Jesus (accusing him of being possessed by the devil) - was the unforgivable sin.

Matt 12 goes on - 33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

This good fruit bad fruit (referring to works and not "faith") analogy is clarified further in Matt 7 - near the end of the Sermon on the Mount - Sermon in which Jesus explains how to get into heaven - explains "the will of the Father".

Matt 7: aka - the passage you can't handle.

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Jesus is clearly referring to those who speak for God - putting false words into Gods mouth.

There is a reason why the majority of Christianity rejects "Sola Fide" - "salvation by faith alone" - the Sermon on the Mount is a big part of that reason.

 

I already did, how did you manage to "miss" it? If you go read it in the Bible, the words are in red. (That means they are Jesus's own words, FYI)

“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” (Mark 3:28–29).

^ Right there, is the one unforgivable sin. But just continue to "ignore" that and try to make the Bible say what YOU want it to say, to suite your, transparent agenda. Ironically, doing the very thing you are accussing others of.

Please note the Scriptural quote and chapter and verse.

 

Are you OK ? The question being addressed - and the question being addressed by the OP is what this passage means - not whether or not this passage exists.

Why are you so lost, dazed and confused ? What is it that you think we have been talking about - if not the "unforgivable sin" - as per the Title of the OP.

 

You are a total waste of time, you ask me to quote scriptures, go on to ignore it (Twice, BTW) And then go on the personal attack. Good day, I said GOOD day sir!!!

 

You are completely lost and confused. I asked you to use scripture to back up your interpretation of Mathew 12/Mark 3.

This is not done by repetition of Matt 12/Mark 3. The question is not "Did Jesus say a blasphemy against the unforgivable sin" - the question being addressed is "What does this mean" - backed up by scripture.

 

You are completely lost and confused. ^ Go find someone else to play the "chase your tail, roundy round, game" I've no more time for you.

 

There are thousands of the god critters and each has its own unique name and attributes. So, when discussing God, which is just a title and not a specific name, it is necessary to say which God you are discussing by naming it. There are numerous Gods in the Bible so it is absolutely necessary to say which critter is being referenced. They are all different.

I know that all Gods are imaginary. Not one has done anything godly since he/she/it was created by a con man so that the con man could use it to gain power, status, and wealth over his superstitious buddies. In ancient times all of the rulers and chief priests were the Gods. There is no celestial deity of any kind in this solar system.

 

You are still lost and confused. I had already posted the scripture you were posting with respect to the "unforgivable sin".

The question being addressed was what this scripture was referring to - and what "other scripture" supports that interpretation. Posting the same scripture does not help us with the interpretation of that scripture.

 

We agree on the above.

Certainly all human depictions of God are imaginary. What I was addressing in the post that you initially responded to was the fact that no one knows whether some God exists - or does not. It is then fallacy to claim defacto "God exists" or "God does not exist".

 

Do giant whales swim between the galaxies? The idea that such creatures as Gods exist is just speculation and wishful thinking by superstitious people. There is no basis in reality for such an idea. It makes as much sense as the idea that giant whales swim between the galaxies or that you can walk to Pluto.

 

You are not fooling anyone, you want to make up your own definition in an attempt to throw shade on Christians, it's transparent as hell. Here, I will repost a handy definition...It's pretty simple.

blas·phe·my
/ˈblasfəmē/
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noun

1. the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
   "he was detained on charges of blasphemy"

 

After you were done rambling mindlessly about who knows what - youou to post a dictionary definition of blasphemy..

Putting false words into God's mouth is a form of blasphemy. Pretty simple )

 

Hmmm, who to believe, Scriptures and dictionaries or some random internet guy with a transparent agenda, trying to create his own definitions to prop up his narrative....decisions decisions.

 

But then you have to decide who defines blasphemy.

 

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