Speaking of impeachment.........

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Sep 3, 2021.

  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So the justices who created RvW and this "right to privacy" which has no constitutional basis could have been impeached for doing so? Wouldn't that void their ruling?
     
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No. Did he commit multiple felonies in a federal court, yes. An impeachment does not determine legal guilt.
     
    cabse5 likes this.
  3. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Senators thought Clinton's crimes weren't high crimes nor high misdemeanors. There have been alleged crimes pinned to Trump but no proven crimes pinned to Trump.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,691
    Likes Received:
    26,762
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He would not have settled the Trump U. fraud case if he was not guilty.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  5. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is wrong. Companies and people settle all the time to avoid publicity and drawn out legal expenses.
     
  6. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of all times to abandon partisanship.

    The DEMOCRATS voted as you describe. "The Senators" is misleading.

    Impeachment isn't limited to statutory crimes. Abuse of power is behind the theory of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors." Clinton didn't abuse his power. He just lied. Trump abused his power.

    Since it's a political process, it requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate for removal. This has absolutely nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Guilt must be proven to a jury of one's peers, unanimously, or to a judge. Impeachment is neither.

    So, a president's guilt or innocence is left to us. You can believe whatever you want, but the case presented by the Democrats was solid, both times. Indeed, Impeachment 2 returned a majority vote for removal.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  7. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True, but we're talking about Trump here. Trump is a celebrity. Too late to avoid publicity.

    And nobody pays $25 million if they're innocent. What are the legal expenses for such a case? I don't believe they would exceed $25 mil.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  8. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    When did Trump abuse his power?

    EDIT: And an impeachment is more than a political exercise because it's also an anti-democratic exercise (since the president was voted by the EC).
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
  9. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you didn't follow the proceedings how can you comment?
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  10. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you for ESTABLISHING that you did NOT grasp the LEGAL PRECEDENT involved in the case under discussion.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
  11. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Companies avoid larger legal fees by settling all the time.:roll:
     
  12. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Repeating this doesn't refute anything I wrote. Wanna try again?

    True, but we're talking about Trump here. Trump is a celebrity. Too late to avoid publicity.

    And nobody pays $25 million if they're innocent. What are the legal expenses for such a case? I don't believe they would exceed $25 mil.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  13. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There is NOTHING in the least bit DEMOCRATIC about the EC which is PROVEN by the FACT that YOUR biggest *LOSER* lost the Popular Vote in 2016.

    In a GENUINE democracy he would NEVER have INFESTED the Oval Office.

    The EC is an undemocratic TRAVESTY that needs to be ABOLISHED.
     
  14. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm sorry, which facts were used, again?
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
  15. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    To say that a settlement is an admission of guilt is a non sequitur.
    A settlement can be a way to save legal fees.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
  16. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The winner of the presidential popular vote gets all the state EC votes. There's a reason why the United States of America isn't called United America (which happens to have a bunch of states).
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
  17. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just saying it would be a non-sequitur, but I didn't just say it; I provided an argument.

    You haven't countered it yet.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  18. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    My my. If you want to argue the impeachments, have at it. Not interested in a round of 20 questions nor the Socratic method, or whatever you're doing here.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  19. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They did not uphold the Constitution in RvW they created and extraconstitutional right without any legal precedent and why RvW is considered one of the worst and unsupported legal decisions the court has ever released and continues to be debated today. So perhaps they should have been impeached.
     
  20. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The knew they were high crimes, multiple felonies in a federal court, the Dems just did not want to remove him. Clinton's crimes were not alleged.
     
  21. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Absolutely false, Clinton abused his power as the President first to solicit sex off White House workers then to try and pay one off with a promotion and raise. Clinton did not just lie, perjury, he obstructed justice, he suborned the perjury of another person and tampered with a witness in direct violation of the presiding judges order. ALL FELONIES, high crimes.
     
  22. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We are NOT a Democracy and guarantied by the Constitution not to be one and there is no the popular vote nationally. You nor any citizen of the USA has ever voted in a national election.
     
  23. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    NOT all popular votes are EQUAL when it comes to "EC votes".

    An EC vote in WY is worth 3.6 times as much as an EC vote in CA.

    The EC must be ABOLISHED because it is a TRAVESTY and UNDEMOCRATIC.
     
  24. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you for CONFIRMING that you did NOT grasp the LEGAL PRECEDENT involved in the case under discussion.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
  25. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So you can't answer............gotcha :thumbsup:
     

Share This Page