Speaking the TRUTH gets you labeled a "racist".

Speaking deceit against another gets you labelled a "racist" something the Liberal Party wears as a badge of honour.

 

That's a cop out full of irrelevant reflections about unpopular things pretending to be an argument against my point.... but it not so much misses the point, but offers no real argument despite seemingly wanting too.

Progress in the West is not the preserve of the West. The West wants the rest of the world (rotw) to be successful, but if the rotw cannot get its jig together then the solution is not to tear down the West.

It's a really ignorant and dangerous view to have DV. The volatility of the knowledge humanity has now, the weapons it can unleash - the West simply cannot allow the world to be torn down into the old male dominated, brute force rules, poverty landscape reality you seem to think is fairer then a democratic asiprational free market secure global community the West works towards.

The only solution is for the rotw to buckle down and do the hard work where they are. Not for us to support the rich ones who can afford to run away and sneak in pretending to be refugee's - as doing that actually speeds up the failing of the rotw. Those with money, skills and capacity to do something like economic migration are the very people who should be leading the growth of those nations they once called home. Even to the extent of the real refugee's, they should remain in a neighbouring country so they can return more easily or do what the Tibetan's did in India, create new communities across the border where its safe for all their people to move safely too.

TLDR; If the rats sink their ship, learn nothin and then want to come aboard your ship, then letting them onboard does nothing but sink your ship. If you want to sink the ship then you need to be realistic about the consequences.

 

Is it even lefties?

The Liberal party loves immigration and selling assets etc. It's like they are the rats leaving our ship with as much cheese as they can carry.

 

He's set to self destruct. I was overly liberal at his age too.

 

Everyone does it, both increasing immigration and refugee intakes but also selling assets.

The ALP and media in QLD made a huge deal at the last election about the LNP selling assets despite the LNP taking their lease/sale plans to an election so the ppl could decide - yet when the ALP were in power in the previous state gov the ALP just up and decide to sell off railways and ports without any consultation with the voters. Of course the ALP said they would not do it, and of course the funniest thing was that once in power the ALP in QLD turned around and said they now are going to sell assets. LOL. The biggest problem with the LNP is they trust the people to get informed, and underestimate the rotten lows the ALP and lefty leaning media will go to misrepresent the truth.... which means the ALP gets in power and we have to wait a couple of terms before the mess gets so bad enough voters notice, where the LNP is voted back in and makes the tough decisions to fix the mess but gets caned by the media and unions for making the tough decisions which repeats the cycle.Sigh... QLD politics; dumb one day, dumber the next.

 

That's horrible. It just builds up doesn't it?

Hang in there.

 

I don't like either of them but life is more affordable under the ALP.

LNP are bigots too.

 

They cannot be called "illegal refugees". But what they do, is engage in illegal activity and behaviour by deliberately hiring illegal people smugglers, and pay those illegal people smuggles $10,000 to be illegally smuggled into another country (Australia) illegally. If it wasn't deemed illegal activity and behaviour, then they would arrive in Australia with a ticket and passport.

Stop trying to pass the buck "solely" onto the people smugglers as being the BAD-GUYS in this scenario, when logic suggest the refugees/asylum seekers are just as BAD and just as guilty as the people smugglers for engaging in this illegal activity in the first place.

No one forced these financial country shopping refugees to seek out Indonesian people smugglers, and to pay them $10,000 to be smuggled through Australia's backdoor.

But from your perspective, we should be believing that gangs of Indonesian people smugglers roam the street forcing innocent refugees to pay them $10,000 to be smuggled into Australia.

Two groups of people engaged in illegal activity; refugees & people smugglers, and you are trying to defend refugees engaged in this illegal activity as doing nothing wrong. That is the most flawed logic I have ever encountered.

 

Can you show me exactly where I said it wasn't wrong

 

Refugees are not illegal, their status is protected under the UN. Stop spreading lies.
If you point out economical refugees, that is a different story.
However, as seen in Europe right now, the majority of those are fleeing war zones.
God I hate your simplicity, paired with the denial of certain facts....
Regards

 

Well said. How did we get to this place? Still stuns me at times how it's all so 'mindless' with this money stuff. And what's gone out the window? Decent service/s, quality of product, workers being treated as humans instead of 'utensils' churning out ridiculously fast work to make fast money for some band of wealthy dickheads.

Just got to see all the tents at Belmore Park at Central now... to know how far we've lost the plot and lost our way...

 

It's called civilization. It does not exist under static conditions, it either grows (conditions improve) or it shrinks (conditions worsen). The problem is not 'money' its people who choose to not participate and demand to be supported by others who do participate... because the real problem is a growing system within confined borders need full participation to overcome those borders before the system collapses.

 

I have never stated that the term/definition "refugee or asylum seeker" is illegal. What I have pointed out on numerous occasions, is that the so-called refugees/asylum coming to Australia by boat engage in illegal activity, by seeking out and pay people smugglers to smuggle them into another country illegally. If it wasn't an illegal entry, then they would arrive with a ticket and passport.

Every time one of these financial country shopping refugees is allowed entry into Australia under Australia's refugee policy, and under YOUR suspect mantra; a genuine refugee waiting in a refugee camp, who cannot afford a $10,000 smugglers ticket misses out on being settled.

Its nice to know you people believe that refugees who engage in illegal activity and who can afford a $10,000 smugglers ticket through Australia's backdoor, is more welcome than a genuine refugee waiting in a refugee camp.

I think your morals and ethics have become twisted due to your own ignorance and personal agendas.

 

No, not 'called' civilisation but called stupidity.

The PROBLEM is greed and mindlessness.

Spare a thought for those knocking themselves out day in day out working for a lowly, lowly wage... these people contribute big-time.

The PROBLEM is MAJOR wage disparity. The problem is GREED.

You say 'full participation' is needed, I say those at the top take a pay cut from their ridiculously inflated salaries and employ more people from that.Then instead of one person doing the work of three people, it could go back to one person doing the work of one. Who knew? That one person doing the work for one person makes sense and is fair...

Wage disparity.

$10 an hour at the 7-11. Pretty despicable.
http://www.theguardian.com/business...e-staff-in-australian-stores-just-10-per-hour

 

Hey...if youre dissatisfied...move to the USA...its fantastic over there....see my thread Chinas Stock Market Bubble.....

 

Wealth disparity is a sign of a strong economy, its not the difference that matters but the shape of the population spread through the various levels of wealth. You need a high peak in that triangle of wealth to have a narrow base, else the base gets wider.

What tends to happen is not enough, or ineffective, regulation allows the edges of that triangle to cave in, making a narrower top and wider base. This is an aggravated disparity which is a sign of problems.

The problem we do agree on is abuse of wealth, but the worst offenders to systems health are the poorer people - as they reward themselves with stupid expenditure to live beyond their means - overseas holidays, fashion, new mobile phones, multiple cars, multiple flatscreens, drinking, smoking, gambling, drugs etc. Because they do not contribute 'big time' as you put it. Its the activity of the wealthy that contributes the majority of government income. Rich people run businesses which employ poor people, own houses which poor people can live in, etc etc. Poor people need to stop being poor. Anyone can lift themselves out of poverty if they wise up and get some self discipline.

 

We need to rewrite the word 'fantastic' in the dictionary.

 

I'm so incredibly busy working long hours right now... that I will interpret what you wrote above as P A R O D Y.

That way it will be expedient and efficient on every front.

 

look at it this way - in the USA if you dare to criticize Israel for its imperialistic terrorism you immediately get labelled an "antisemite" - this even if you are Jewish!

 

There are anti-Zionist Jews.

 

Haha, well 'worst' was a bit harsh but you have to consider the real 'costs' of welfare, not just the fiscal impact managed by the DHS... poverty is a disease which leaves its mark in many areas of community, and government cash hand outs (either during or outside working ages) are not the solution anymore with such rapidly growing populations. Everyone thinks global warming is bad, well poverty will tear this place (civilization) down before global warming will (but I'm sure global warming will be used as the excuse LOL).

 

Yeah welfare is terrible, I hope those corporate organisations are listening. We are sick of propping up their failings and consequently increasing the wages in multi millions of their executives. Shame Australia, how about we prop up the welfare of the less fortunate and allow them to stimulate our markets were it is needed, which won't include buying overseas holiday houses and imported luxury cars to prop up the economy of other countries.

Such a valid point!

 

That is correct - in fact I have quoted them here and posted links to their websites. Afterwards, I was labelled as ''antisemite'' for doing so by the pathetic hate filled right wingers.

 

I wonder how many have Israei citizenship. Not really anti zionist if they do.

 

I have seen statistics that indicate between 10-20% if Israelis are anti-Zionists. They refuse to serve in their military.