Speaking the TRUTH gets you labeled a "racist".

There's no gate crashing: Article 14 - The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

All legal.

 

That's because the wide open gates to OZ are the responsibilty of Dad's Navy and it has allowed them to become very dilapidated and full of holes, through which the illegals can thrust their collective heads and grab their welfare cheques. A bit like a Trojan Horse, really.

 

Actually, they're not "illegals".

Perfectly legal asylum seekers.

Been listening to Bolty again?

 

Uncle Meat

Just using common sense so necessary for Australia's long term welfare and so absent from the 'Let anybody in' crowd, so welcome by the welfare chasing illegals.

Bolt has more sense in his index finger than the noisy crowd so full of its own importance and pomposity, and determined to undermine our sovereignty and integrity. Sneering at Bolt certainly doesn't raise your profile on this site, and you would be better off using logic, so absent to date. Sneering is a very poor substitute for logic

Unlike the 'let them in crowd', I don't need to listen to one particular person to make up my mind, especially on matters of long term importance to this country

 

Well, you need to listen to someone because you just don't seem to understand the facts:

Boat people are not "illegals".

 

Sneering at another person's point of view can never replace logic.

Sneering just proves your words on this topic have as much weight as a paper mache.

 

My words are fact, not a point of view.

Boat people seeking asylum in Australia are not "illegals".

Fact. What part don't you understand?

 

I see!!

So - who exactly has this supreme, independent authority over the geographic area we are talking about? How did they get it?

And what does this have to do with your inability to understand Australian Law?

 

No - I'm pretty sure that neither the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees 1951 or the Immigration Act 1958 give diligent the "right" to "protect our sovereignty, and the integrity of our welfare system"

 

That' right, let anyone and everyone suck of the teat of our hard earned,over burdened welfare system. How smart is that!

When is this fiscally sick Federal Government going to stop this rort and robbery of our welfare system by people who have made no contribution towards it and believe, just because they have arrived by boat, it's their god given right to suck it dry. This Federal Government can't be that stupid, can it?

 

You seem to think you have some special rights. Do you pay different taxes then the rest of us. I tell you one thing, I'm glad I am not your next door neighbour. If I needed help I can see I wouldn't get it from you.
Good on you Aussie, what about "A Fair Go", what about "Helping those less fortunate", what about "Charity", what about "Human Rights", what about all those things that make Australia great. People that sit back in their comfortable homes, with their comfortable existence, no cares except themselves, no concern for others, just as long as "She's Right Mate". You all make me sick, you base your arguments on fantasy, your complaints on fantasy.

We have enough food and money to feed and clothe and house many many more refugees. If we don't help them, then we can not even hold up our heads in the international arena. This may be fine for you, my friend, but some of us care about the future of our country, our planet and our fellow man.

If you are not one of them, at least tell the truth instead of the fantasy I have been reading from your keyboard.

 

So how many DV? Put a figure on it, when do we say no more. How many refugees should Australia take in then provide housing, transport, feed, educate, medicate and give welfare money to? Because mate, we can't take em all.

 

Well looking around I would say several million. I see houses with more lights on the outside then I have on the inside, we spend billions on gambling, we throw out tonnes of food each day, we care more about our home then we do about keeping Australian business afloat.

We buy imported goods because we want cheap disposable goods, we do not support local industry.

Most of us actually do not deserve to live in such a bountiful country. We live on The Best Land while we try to farm the rest. We over irrigate, over plant, over farm. We are ruining our country through our attitude of "She'll be right mate". We need to wake up, grow up, realise we are part of a growing and shrinking world, before it grows too large and swallows us up.

We need to re-invent our financial system, our market system, our work ethic, we need to look at new and different ways to do things, we need to grow up.

 

I reckon we should build a big camp way out in the country somewhere, a thousand acres or so, and put all the refo's who want to come to Australia in the big camp and tell them they have to work to grow their own food. They will be told they are never to leave the camp except to go back where they came from.
These people have turned their own countries into piles of sh!t and now want a short cut to living the good live in Oz. I think we should tell them we will give them shelter for two years max and then they must leave. My concern is if we let 'several million' come and live at large in Australian cities they will trash this country the same as they did their own.
Another thing we could have is refugee sponsorship where an Australian family takes in a refugee family. The Australian sponsor family would be 100% responsible for all the refo's needs.

 

That seems like a bit of a generalization. The country's problems aren't necessarily the citizens fault.

 

I agree in part, yes we should use the refugees to open up Australia, but we also need the infrastructure. If we did this right we could benefit in many ways, but just saying stupid and incorrect things like "Illegal refugees" is stupid because you cannot be an illegal refugee.

As for them trashing our country, that's silly, why would genuine refugees, treated correctly want to trash our country, I think your letting your bigotry get the best of your senses.

 

Dom, please excuse my interuption. I agree with much of what you say, but the last paragraph really grabbed my attention. This has been a hobby horse of mine for quite a few years. Irrespective of whatever the figure of sustainable human population may be, we will never be able to humanely control population figures with an expansionist financial system.

 

Financial cimes in australia are for 95% male whites, "Since no one else seems to want to say this I will - the conclusion we can draw from this is that we have an extremely serious problem with While adult male offending," I write.

What does the skin color matter here ? Do explain.

 

They need a label, it's easier for them to understand. Now white people are about 95% of the people, so the Aboriginals stand out, now the 30% that are bad, and I am the first one to admit there is a disproportionate number of Aboriginals that are criminal. Most I know though are hard working, tax paying, normal people with all the problems of life we have except for one. They are all judged by the actions of the few.

My partner has succeeded under her own steam, sent herself off to boarding school at 15 so she had a fighting chance in a world she was quickly beginning to realise was going to do it's best to foil her.

She went on to do a Cert III in early childhood education (at TAFE along with all the other white people) and applied and won a position at one of Sydney's more upmarket child care centres in the city. Lawyers, doctors, execs where the clients. Many times a parent would comment about them having Aboriginal staff some even going to the extent of saying, they didn't want "her" looking after their children.

That was over 15 years ago and now when she sees the parents in the street, or the children they race up to her and hug her, thanking them for all she done. Not just teaching their children with a natural affinity to relate to them, but also for showing them their bigotry as most never realised they were.

Her son is nearly 30 and has worked in the automotive industry ever since completing his apprenticeship, he is so good, that at this very moment he is at Eastern Creek as he is allowed time off work every V8 supercar race, to join the Pirelli team. He has flown all over the world with them.

I could document many others, her cousins, one works at a medical centre, another is a well known actress, another's husbands is a sound specialists and is credited on many Australian movies, another cousin is a lecturer at the UNSW, several uncles are security guards etc etc etc.

But you don't see them, they are not running around saying "Look at me, look at me", they are quietly getting on with life as hard as we make it for them.

RACISM in AUSTRALIA is rife, I see it, I feel it myself. I could drive my XR6 Turbo around all day, every day, every week, I do, and I have had a license for 45 years. In those 45 years I have been pulled up for speeding, for random breath tests etc, but never just randomly pulled over and had my car searched. However in the past 6 years I have been randomly searched over 20 times, BUT only ever when I had my partner with me. We are constantly shadowed by security in stores.

It is getting to the point where I AM GETTING SICK OF IT. I went off at some coppers the other day, I told them to arrest me or I would give them a reason to, they backed off like girls. I am really getting to a point where I think, IF I AM GOING TO BE HUNG FOR A CRIME I MAY AS WELL COMMIT ONE.

The problem is simple, it's people like efjay and others here who need a label for what they do not understand or really care to. So they want Abo, see it contains all the bad things they are comfortable with.

They really have a problem which I suppose is suppressed guilt, of course they will deny it, THAT IS WHAT SUPPRESSED MEANS.

 

We have reached a point in society where money has become our god, human rights are secondary, profit, it's all about profit, but not just profit, increasing profit. All the rest can go to hell.

 

When rats leave a sinking ship its generally not a good idea to let them on board your own ship..... that said, sheltering injured rats from listing ships is a good idea. Get a grip lefties.... large populations can sink small economies.

 

The rats though unfortunately are running the ship. It is true that large populations can sink small economies and confuse even smaller minds. Countries with much smaller economies are doing much more then us, we are not a small economy, we think we are, but we are not. When all the ships are infested, what are we going to say, shove off, we do not want to be a part of the world, we do not want to be humane, we are more worried about our Volvos and Audis, more worried about what tax breaks we can get so we do not need to look after those displaced by technology, by corporate greed, by sheer bastardising the world WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, showing our pig ignorance to the world, waving our "White Reclaim Australia Flags" from the barrel of a gun, too *******b ignorant or ill informed to make a sensible decision, too caught up in our own problems (ones half the world wish they had), like what movie to watch on TV, whether we want Dianne sauce on our steaks or maybe surf and turf. What school to send our sons and daughters too, or whether the bottled water has too many added chemicals, or whether or not our children are going to be blown to bits by some radicals spurred on by you people?

Is that the country you want us to be, because I don't. Small minded people sitting in their comfort zones counting there money do not count for much in my books, give me someone willing to risk their life for a new life, then we are talking.

 

There are a distortionate number of aborigines represented in our prison system. When you reflect on the OP, you certainly see that issues are exacerbated by comments that inflame rather than address. Why is there an ice epidemic, why do priest rape young boys, why are people racist, why do people steal, why do people smoke, why do young people drink to excess etc. For the ignorant and the lacking of intellectual ability the answers are one dimensional. It is too hard for these people to understand complexities. Square and round pegs jumbled together is just too much to work out at this stage in their development.

 

Your hatred of the world around you is really quite disturbing. Someone your age should have learnt a lot more tolerance and understanding.

 

Oh well, nevermind. Guns are a great equalizer.

And certainly we'd avoid less bloodshed if we used them today. Of course that won't happen, so evil will grow.