Special counsel Mueller: Russians conducted 'information warfare' against US during election to help

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  1. Bluebird

    Bluebird Well-Known Member

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    And here is a great example (highlighted in black) of you not accepting the truth's that are coming out---
    The indictments that Mueller just came out with established that there is a crime or crimes that was (were) committed, now when Mueller releases further indictments it will eventually all tie in with the crimes from these Russian indictments--So, to say they haven't come up with squat is pretty disingenuous on your part---
     
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    pissant indictment over rinky-dink crimes. Are you aware of the dozens of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud cases the FBI indicted or adjudicated in 2018, yet Rosenstein saw no cause to even announce them with a single comment. He is like the high school team that scores a basket in the 3rd quarter against the Boston Celtics and yells to high heaven, "WE SCORED! WE SCORED!"
     
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    Well, what you call pissant & rinky dink says volumes---However,if one were to follow the puzzle pieces Mueller is putting together, he is exposing a huge (illegal) in part ,money laundering scheme, another part,(illegal) hacking, another part,(illegal) participation by a foreign country to influence & decide our Democratic Election process & the American actors that helped---also called Co-Conspirators----
    Now, you show me, where in Mueller's recent indictments of the 13 Russians,did it say that "anyone was vindicated"----where does it say in these indictments that the investigation is over?
    Also just an interesting note as this investigation really heats up, will trump,to try to save his a## throw his son-in law kushner under the bus ?
     
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    My point was that these level crimes are prosecuted dozens of times every month. My question was what makes this so gigantic; answer -- Rosenstein desperately had to show off and get people to think he is really doing significant work for all the millions he is burning through.
    He can't possibly say any of this because it would refute th message he was trying to get people to believe. Ya see my question is when is Mueller going to indict anybody associated with Trump world over any even tiny thing that has anything what-so-ever to do with collusion with the Russians and effecting the election, and quit trying to impress by arresting a jay walker. (The answer is never.)
     
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    In an early morning tweet, Trump wrote, "The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!"

    Hu-hum, another lie from our President.

    His attorney general met with the Russian ambassador twice, once in his office, then lied about it to the Senate committee confirming him.

    His former NSA who he fired, Mike Flynn, made a deal with the Russian ambassador during the transition period, meaning Flynn was a private citizen at the time. The deal conflicted with official U.S. policy with a hostile power that had interfered in our elections.

    Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June of 2016.

    Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, has had multiple dealings with the Kremlin and he has been indicted for doing so.

    One of Trump's senior advisors during the campaign, Rick Gates, has had multiple dealings with the Kremlin and he has been indicted for doing so. Gates will plead guilty and will cooperate with Mueller.

    Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has had so many dealings with the Russians, at least 100, that he has failed to properly fill out the forms required for a security clearance. Serious questions are swirling around Kushner’s security clearance — which is still pending more than a year after he entered the White House. By some strange coincidence, Kushner requests more intelligence information than any other White House official. I don't believe in coincidences.

    A member of Trump's team, George Papadopulous, lied to the FBI about his Russian involvement. He has pleaded guilty and has been cooperating with Mueller since July.

    Another member of Trump's team, Carter Page, admitted to be an advisor to the Kremlin in 2013. On November 2, 2017, Page testified to the U.S. House Intelligence Committee that he had informed Jeff Sessions, Corey Lewandowski, Hope Hicks and other Trump campaign officials that he was traveling to Russia to give a speech in July 2016. Page testified that he had met with Russian government officials during this trip and had sent a post-meeting report via email to members of the Trump campaign.

    In all, nine members of Trump's team, either close associates or members of his family, have had connections to Russia.

    Trump refuses to acknowledge Russia interfered in our election.

    Trump refuses to take steps to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections.

    Trump refuses to impose sanctions against Russia that were authorized by a bill he signed in August. The sanctions were caused by Russia's interference in our election.

    Trump had this to say about Putin during the election campaign. "I'm saying that I'd possibly have a good relationship. He's been very nice to me."
     
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    So, with all the seriousness in all this, like people going to jail,it is your assumption that people like Rosenstein & Mueller are "just" Grandstanding!! Stellar---
     
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    Absolutely. No question about it. Why are they making such a ballyhoo over something that has almost nothing to do with what they are charged and we are paying them to do?
     
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    But, that's just it -Here is the post I wrote earlier-However,if one were to follow the puzzle pieces Mueller is putting together, he is exposing a huge (illegal) in part ,money laundering scheme, another part,(illegal) hacking, another part,(illegal) participation by a foreign country to influence & decide our Democratic Election process & the American actors that helped---also called Co-Conspirators---
    Also from another post I presented---Mueller is laying the groundwork by indicting the Russians & laying the groundwork for "the crimes",when it is over there will be a clear picture of crimes committed & by who--that is why I have been saying all along---It is all connected----
    Our Democracy is not "such a ballyhoo",Mueller has already exposed "crimes"----and guess what, he has exposed those crimes with people associated with whose campaign? Oh, I know,trump's!
     
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    You are trying to blow it up like a hot air balloon, but per my arlier post it is insignificant as far as crimes go -- a dime a dozen.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cubs didn't win for decades but cubbies kept saying, "it's coming. Man, is it coming. Jes wait till next decade." Or as the man once said, "We are going to have ham and eggs..... if only we had some ham and if only we had some eggs!"
    I might be impressed if Mueller exposes more than rinky-dink crimes and crimes that are at least within a thousand miles of having to do with election fraud.
     
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    So, you would rather engage in denigrating & condescending me than admit our Democracy is being jeopardized---Got it---
    However, I will not let your attitude stop me or my support to get to the truth-
     
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    So, more charges today against Manifort & Gates---Something that has gotten little discussion here--And that is the changing of the GOP platform at the GOP Convention,the part about benefiting Ukraine,well, who was trump's campaign manager when they went to the convention,Manifort,who was working for Ukraine also at that time,Manifort,not quite sure yet how this connects with Russia,but I'm researching it----mmmm-collusion ?
     
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    The screws are tightening on Manafort.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/mue...-20-more-charges-than-initial-indictment.html
     
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    So, did you happen to catch trump this morning on CPAC---acting like he was on the campaign trail still--Yeah, starting the chant "lock her up" & crooked HILLARY ( you known,a person found innocent after 9 congressional hearings)--in the mean time, how many on "his" campaign officials ,pleading "guilty" or indicted on criminal charges are actually the "crooked" ones, including him---Is anyone else getting real tired of our Intelligence being insulted every single day by this pile of S##t?
     

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