* SPOILER ALERT* Did you find the last episode of "Game of Thrones" to be satisfying?

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Did you find the last episode of "Game of Thrones" to be satisfying?

Poll closed Jun 10, 2019.
  1. Yes, I was 'satisfied' with the last episode of "Game of Thrones".

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  2. No, I was not 'satisfied' with the last episode of "Game of Thrones".

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow, are you perdidochas' spokesperson. I think they should sack you and get someone else.
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aha...now I see the seat of our disagreement.

    You have me mistaken for someone who gives a rat's ass what you think.

    No problemo, Nonnie. We can deal with that.
     
  3. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    You don't know many GOT fans. I'm fairly far right, and a GOT fan, but I also know far left GOT fans. My point is why are you bothering? If there was a thread on flower decoration, I wouldn't comment on that.
     
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  4. Josh77

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    Sorry man, not true at all. I'm on the right for the most part, except maybe my environmental views, and I love the show. I also had many discussions with soldiers about the show before I retired from the army. I'd say about 80% of the soldiers I know were also big fans of the show, and they were pretty much all right wing.

    Anyways, the ending wasn't too bad. Jon definitely became one of my least favorite characters though. Tyrion, Arya, and the Onion knight were my favorites.
     
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  5. Pollycy

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    In this thread I was hoping to see whether or not people were satisfied with the final political 'arrangement' that was made for Westros. The political implications in that last episode were striking, and overall, I was satisfied that the ending was plausible and even likely -- but the residual situation IN the "post-Cersei" Seven Kingdoms was anything but 'satisfying' to me!

    After Snow's assassination of Daenerys, we saw the inevitable breakdown of the central government and its replacement by a sort of 'federation' of individual kings and a Queen-of-the-North, with the "King" of the now Six Kingdoms being reduced to little more than a sort of 'historian-wizard'...(?).

    As much as anything else, I'm convinced that there will be a sequel series. Daenerys will be revived by the same God of Light priesthood that brought Jon Snow back to life after he was assassinated, and she will marshal her forces in Essos to threaten Westros once again!

    Cinematically, the entire last season was a masterpiece in every sense. The battle scenes at Winterfell and King's Landing were absolutely breathtaking! The subtle interplay between the characters was very skilfully directed right down to the last nuance.

    Politically, the climax was a collision between the "Führerprinzip" of benevolent despotic rulers and the rise of decentralized bureaucracies who would project even more power from underneath Westros' spoiled and but politically pragmatic aristocracies....

    Indeed, anyone who thought that the newly-inaugurated 'Six Kingdoms' would be ruled in some new, über-enlightened fashion needed only to see the last scene at the meeting of the Tyrion ("Hand") Lannister, the Three-Eyed Raven "King", and the "Ministers", to understand that things would muddle along much as they had before. The big topic being discussed as the camera pulled away from the chamber was the relative merits/demerits of municipal whorehouses....

    And what was Jon Snow's reward for 'saving' Westros from Daenerys? Indeed, the character, Ygritte, Snow's captor and lover from earlier in the series, had it spot-on correct when she famously said to him,

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  6. Frank

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    Certainly one of the most entertaining shows of all time...with character build-up second to nothing.

    Jon Snow was never one of my favorite characters. I saw him as shallow and relatively weak.

    Tyrion, Varysm, and the Onion Knight were the ethical backbone of the group.

    I'm still reflecting on what life-lessons were being preached. Like any good series, there are gems for all sides of the political spectrum.
     
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  7. Pollycy

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    My reply was double-posted for some reason, so I've deleted the second one...(?).
     
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  8. The Scotsman

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    It was pretty crappy really.
    I'll wait for the books if, that is, Martin can be arsed to actually write them. I guess now that HBO has totally mangled the narrative he's probably thought better of it and tootled off into the sunset with his gazzillions safe in the bank.
     
  9. Pollycy

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    People seem to be divided into two very different camps, consisting of those who really enjoyd the series (me), and those who did not like the series at all after about Season 3 or 4.

    The story as protrayed in the HBO series deviated sharply from Martin's storyline, as I'm sure you know, after about Book 3. After that point, many people (including me) thought Martin's storyline was diffuse, meandering, and uninteresting.

    I think that what we're seeing now is a great displeasure expressed by many with the way Season 8 was concluded versus what they may have WANTED it to be (always a fan's prerogative).

    In an 'ideal world' (Westros, or anywhere else), we can wish for all sorts of happy outcomes, but reality is so often something else ENTIRELY. So, in that sense, I was sadly disappointed with how it all ended -- but, I'm already on record as being one of the few who sees, clearly, that there will be a sequel-series... with a resurrected Daenerys (brought back to life by the 'God-of-Light-people' in Essos). And, if that's true, Jon Snow is going to have a really BAD day sometime in the future. Personally, I hope the treacherous, stupid clodpole gets eaten by a polar bear while he's up there farting around in the icy wastes of the real North.... :lol:
     
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  10. The Scotsman

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    It's been a while since I read the books but to be honest I enjoyed them all and was enjoying the TV version as well....I'm not to petty about storylines diverging from books as you have to make TV watchable and books readable and sometimes the two don't work (look at the Bourne books and the films....!!!).
    It just became absurd at the end when following this whole dreaded build-up of the diabolical white walkers...the dead are invincible...the dead will wipe out the world unless we all band together....fighting about thrones is as pointless as changing deckchairs on the titanic unless we defeat the army of the dead....so the dead arrive in the dead of night and seem to get wiped out by a few sabre wielding horsemen and a couple of dickless spearmen!! I mean if this enemy was so immensly horrific and all powerful then how come the vast majority survived and pottered off down the road to thrash an equally diabolic Lannister army?? I mean these armies seem to regenerate faster than Gallifreyan Doctors! Do dragons carry drop tanks...I mean most fighter jets have limited consumables but one dragon seems to carry a gazziliion times its bodyweight in fire creating goop without returning to base for a top up!!
    And then we have the rationale for melting cities with a feisty dragon, Danny goes batshit bonkers because her maid gets killed and melts a city having survived all sorts of other trials and setbacks, rape, murder attempts and dead tribes and husbands and add to that a mad molesting brother but somehow a maid's death tips her over the edge...??
    Bran the leggless becomes king with shorty as his second in command and Snow ends up back on the wall to do what....watch the snow fall??
    And Arya goes off on a cruise....presumably with Martin so that he has some peace and quiet to finish the books so we can figure out what should have happened now that HBO as knarlsed it up.
    who knows....I bet HBO is working on it though...;)
     
  11. Pollycy

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    Very interesting commentary, indeed! I share several of your viewpoints, but I would remind you that what "killed" the Night King was (ostensibly) being stabbed by a Valerian steel blade, in the presence of the Three-Eyed Raven, at that particular spot in Winterfell. 'Naughty Nighty' shattered into thousands of ice crystals, exactly as one of his Leftenants did when Sam stabbed him with a 'Dragon-glass' blade much earlier in the series. Well... it was all 'magical', you see. Much as the creation of the Night King was in the first place, by the "Children of the Forest"....

    For me, one of the more interesting scenes in Episode 8 was when Daenerys appeared on a high dais before the assembled Dothraki and Unsullied -- in a scene that reminded me strikingly like something out of "Triumph des Willens", a masterpiece of political theater created in the 1930's by Leni Riefenstahl. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will

    Every despot imagines that he/she is uniquely qualified to 'rule the world'... whether that's Hitler, Daenerys, or -- and this is important -- the ruling hierarchies and court-favorites of the remaining Seven Kingdoms (or was it Six...?). That last scene where "Hand" Tyrion is having his little organizational meeting with the new 'decision makers' was perhaps most revealing of all....

    If the idea was to rid the world of tyrants, despots, and those who rule over others, then killing Daenerys accomplished nothing of any lasting value or significance. Whether HBO does it as a multi-part sequel series, or a follow-on movie (like the upcoming "Deadwood" movie in about a week), I do believe we will see Daenerys brought back from the dead -- by the same God-of-Light priesthood that brought Jon Snow back to life after he was stabbed to death....
     
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    Except that's not the only thing she did, she also murdered thousands of people who had no control over anything Cersei did. She likely would have murdered thousands, if not millions more now that she had snapped and lost her grip on reality.

    There would have always been a new government, and Denaerys's would have been no different once she settled down. It was no different when she was still on Essos. Cersei murdered people because she didn't give a crap about their lives. Denaerys murdered people because she thought she was righteous. In the end, they both killed innocents and the reasoning means nothing, only the actions. Murdering innocents is what the old regimes did that she originally set out to tear down, and she was doing that exact same thing. Why you think she would have been something different is confusing, and I think that you think she was still the same person she was on Essos. But she wasn't anymore.
     
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    Right. What should have and would have happened had this been for real, there would have been great cheering for Jon who brought everyone together, big party and so forth. And the next day, they refuse to create a coalition government, whispers of assassinations resumes and back sniping, just like the good old days.
     
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    I tried to watch it, even subscribed to HBO just for it.

    After about 3 episodes and being introduced to the 37th main character I was like, "do I really want to keep a notepad by me just to keep track of what's going on"?

    So I stopped there.

    It just wasn't fun to watch, felt more like homework.
     
  15. Pollycy

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    Honestly, when I saw that last scene with the "new government", something inside of me thought, "Oh, sh!t, everything just resumes as though there's been no real change at 'the top'. There's the "Hand", Tyrion, arranging the chairs for the Council (made me think of that meme about 'rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic'). In come the various functionaries, each with his own little bureaucratic focus. Bran the Broken, the new King, wheels in for a very brief appearance, making it clear that he's probably not going to be doing much of anything but having more 'visions' or whatever.... So, Tyrion's going to run the whole thing after all, and I guess that's not the worst thing that could happen.

    I still think there's going to be some kind of sequel. I can't forget that it was the Lord-of-Light priesthood that brought Jon Snow back from the dead after he was assassinated with knives, and I've got a feeling that Daenerys is going to be brought back to life, too. And if she is, boy is she ever going to be pissed! Plus, she'll be back in Essos, where her Dothraki and Unsullied armies have gone. And, she has her 'Air Force' intact!

    [​IMG]. "Dude! Wait! Lemme explain...." :cynic:
     
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    I find it baffling that anyone found the last season satisfying at all. Season 8 can be summed up like this:

    -Characters act out of character
    -things are set up with zero payoff
    -things happen with little to zero explanation.
    -there are huge chunks of story that is missing
    -and a character who has literally done nothing for the entire show becomes the winner of game of thrones because “he has the best story”?

    The creators of the show are responsible for this mess. Benoiff and Weiss wanted out because they have their precious star wars movies to go make. HBO wanted ten season and they said no. They wanted to sacrifice the time and effort into crafting a well thought out ending in order to finish this series. What they did was an insult to the cast and crew that brought life into this series.
     
  17. Pollycy

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    The more I think about it, the more I blame Jon Snow! Either he should have remained loyal to Daenerys and kept his damn mouth shut, or, he should have told her the truth and forged a deal where as "King and Queen", they would rule together!

    Doing that would have kept "the North" in the Seven Kingdoms amicably, and there would have been no conflict of power between King's Landing and Winterfell. It would have made sense to Daenerys because she would not have been excluded from power, and, from the standpoint of ethics in her mind, the rule of the Seven Kingdoms would have been totally restored to the Targarian lineage!

    Now, as it is, there's one tremendously powerful dragon, Drogon, loose in Essos, along with the Dothraki and Unsullied armies. The Six Kingdoms have a bunch of bureaucrats and a meandering visionary as its 'king'. And even fictional natures deplore a vacuum like that!

    I still think that the 'Lord of Light' people bring Daenerys back to life and all hell breaks loose! If Benoiff and Weiss would rather take their talents to the sagging, boring Star Wars franchise(s) or not, somebody could do quite well with a sequel for Game of Thrones at this point....
     
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    -ned stark keeps jon’s identity a secret for 20 years for his sisters dying wish and uses a cover story embarassing himself and bringing shame to his wife and family.

    -jon learns the truth of his identity and the first thing he has to do is tell everyone.

    -millions of people die as a result of this.

    Did this idiot not learn anything from ned?
    Jon snow turned into a stupid who literally did nothing in the last season. Then gets sent back to the wall to join the nights watch as if that organization is even relevant anymore. No more white walkers. Wildinglings are friendly now. Whats the point???
     
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    I was thinking of the movie Independence Day where all the nations in the world united to defeat the aliens and I'm pretty sure they'd all go back to what they were before the alien war.
     
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    Human nature has changed little for thousands of years. A "Six Kingdoms" empire essentially run by Tyrion Lannister would go on much as before as it had been under all the previous rulers, with maybe a little less outright murderous cruelty and a few more drunken debauchs and visits to municpal whorehouses.... Tyrion could be the greatest threat of all to the "new arrangement", except that he'll probably never be sober enough again in what's left of his life to do anything but whore and drink....

    I wonder how long it would be before "the North", run by a cunning, clever, aging Sansa Stark, would decide to exert its own power over everybody else...? One thing seems certain -- she could out-think Jon Snow (or whatever the hell his name really is) easily. He's so dumb-ass stupid and inept that he'll probably be eaten by polar bears....
     
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    I just finished watching all of Season 8 for the third time and I noticed something very interesting toward the end of the last episode!

    It's that rather disgusting final scene where Tyrion is holding forth in his new role as 'Hand' to King Brandon the Broken. Brandon is wheeled in for a very short momentary appearance. He leaves almost immediately -- BUT -- he makes point of asking only ONE question, and it seems to be of considerable importance to him.

    Here's the dialogue in this part of the scene:

    "BRANDON: And Drogon? Any word?

    SAM: He was last spotted flying east, toward--

    BRONN: The farther away, the better.

    BRANDON: Perhaps I can find him. Do carry on with the rest.

    TYRION: As you wish, Your Grace."

    Why? Why would King Brandon be so interested in finding this creature that has left Westros entirely...?

    Oh, all in all, I think I see a sequel or a continuation of some kind coming....
     
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    There is no sequel.

    There will never be a follow up.

    There will never be a ninth season.

    The actors all want to move on. Weiss and Benoif have exclusive rights to create this show and they are done with GoT. They want to do star wars instead. Otherwise HBO was prepared to let them do several more seasons of GoT but they said no. This was it.
     
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    You could certainly be right. And, on reflection, it makes me want to change my vote from "satisfied" to being unsatisfied, but, I'll let it stand. On balance, it does represent a credible, plausible ending to what ended up being a genuine TRAGEDY, accurately reflective of the dystopian, destructive nature of all human attempts at egalitarian self-governance.

    Perhaps nothing is more telling than when Daenerys tells Jon Snow that the people of the world that they, together, would liberate from cruel tyrants, "don't get to choose" -- and gets murdered for it! But, later on, when the Lords and Ladies of Westros are picking a new king, they openly belly-laugh at Sam's concept that the common people should get to decide who their king is. No -- elitists always want to secure their own hold on wealth, authority, and power -- and they'll do anything to keep it....

    So, Sansa consolidates her power as the autocratic bitch-queen of 'the North'. Tyrion gets to be the de facto ruler of the Six Kingdoms (while King Brandon the Broken goes off on his mental meanderings). And Jon "Targaryen" Snow goes off to live at the North Pole (?). As I said, 'a genuine tragedy'... but 'satisfying' in its adherence to all-too-human 'reality', even in a fantasy-world....
     
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    Thought the show was good entertainment - the fact that people were so emotionally invested show that it worked for many.

    I think there is a problem with trying to read too much into a fantasy epic on the political front. It IS fantasy.
     
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    Yes its fantasy, but not your typical fantasy. The show and books break from traditional story telling and subvert expectations because its also based slightly in a realistic way. Choices that characters make, plot points that i think many can believe as if they were to likely happen in our world. But more importantly its telling the characters story. There are no mcguffins here. No infinity stones. No ring that a group of people havd to take to a place and throw into a volcano. These are people fighting each other, for themselves, for their friends, for their families, for good of society as a whole. These are characters who have real motivations. This isnt a story about good vs evil. Sometimes bad things happen and there isnt slways closure or a real clear way to make sense of the tragedy. This happens a lot in the real world and i think this is why people are drawn to this story. Its a commentary of our real world told through a fantasy backdrop.

    And the show did a wonderful job of establishing the story, the characters, and the world they live in. Those early seasons were a slow gradual build up that took its time so we could immerse ourselves in this story. But once they surpassed the books the creators just fast forwarded the story and made characters do stupid things in order to get us to the end. Season 8 was a dumpster fire. I just dont understand how anyone found it satisfying.
     
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