Discussion in 'Sports' started by waltky, Jan 2, 2016.
two great team players from the past - RIP
Roger Bannister. 1st to break 4-minute Mile.
Hall of Famer Hal Greer:
a tough and intense player who, nonetheless, played with a very youthful enthusiasm
many believe Bruno Sammartino was the greatest pro wrestler of all time:
Beloved "Big Man" Dick Edell, lacrosse great:
Legendary coach transformed also ran and losing teams into big winners. Greatly beloved by his players.
Big Van Vader:
Thomas Franklin McDonald was an American football flanker in the National Football League for the Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Rams, Atlanta Falcons, and Cleveland Browns. He played college football for the Oklahoma Sooners. Wikipedia
Born: July 26, 1934, Roy, NM
Died: September 24, 2018
Hall of Fame induction: 1998
Height: 5′ 9″
Position: Wide receiver, Halfback
Education: Highland High School, University of Oklahoma
Mean Gene Okerlund, RIP:
Mean Gene introduced the nWo fraternity to the world. As a lifetime member of that great group, I am very proud of his association with us. He will be greatly missed.
Harold Lederman, 79, pro boxing commentator and judge:
I watched many fights in which he was a commentator. In almost every match his score card and mine were precisely the same. We are both originally from NY so we speak the same language - a language of great passion for pro boxing. Because of that, I feel like I am mourning the loss of a close friend.
Bart Starr. 85. Legendary Packers QB.
Elroy Face was much better with his Forkball. But RIP Louis.
True, Face did have the longer and more successful career. But this was an era in which players (particularly Latins) were badly underpaid. Because of this Arroyo played winter ball every year (something like 19 years in Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, & Mexico) and burned out his arm - in fact he missed 2 to 3 years of baseball because of a sore arm. This was true for many Latino pitchers in the past as overwork caused much early career burnout. This is why his career was short.
RIP Billy Bucks...I saw him come up with the Dodgers as a super fast outfielder and great base runner. He had several leg injuries over his career and lost his speed but was always a great hitter, great teammate and a fierce competitor. He took so much crap for that one ground ball in ‘86 and usually kept his cool. Sorry to hear that his health had declined in his later years.
A solid MLBer for many years, who had his whole career defined by a miscue in 1986.
As a Yankee fan, I've always had a strong dislike for the BoSox though I've always admired their strong, determined efforts to play baseball. Let's get one thing settled once and for all: Bucks was NOT responsible for the team loss in the World Series!
The score was TIED at the moment he muffed the ball. Second, Mgr McNamara failed to put in a defensive player at first base when it was obvious that Bucks was in pain. Now I know how some players balk at what their coaches say and refuse to leave the field. But I'm an old school coach and do not permit anyone to question my calls - I would have ordered him on the bench and replaced him with a good defensive player. Anything bad that happens on the field is the fault of the manager. Blame him, not the player, especially in this instance.
Lastly, and most significantly, the reason why the BoSox lost is because their bullpen failed. They did not maintain the lead and allowed the Mets to rally for the win. Worse still is the fact that this was Game 6, not Game 7. In the finale, the bullpen blew the lead again and gave up 8 late runs. Bucks was definitely NOT responsible for any of that.
Shame that such a great career - 2,800 hits or so in 22 years (bear in mind that the average MLB career is only 4 years in length) - and he would always be known for this one error. He was a great player whose accomplishments put him on the cusp of the HOF. Let us hope that he will more remembered for those successes, rather than this one mistake.
Agreed. The Sox had a 5-3 lead in the 9th with 2 outs and nobody on. Buckners error was only incidental in their collapse. Stanley gave it up. The Buckner error was just another one of those World Series moments that stand out and become etched into people’s minds forever. Most real baseball fans, even Red Sox fans are aware that Buckner was not responsible for the ‘86 collapse. The Sox would never have been there in the first place without Buckner’s consistent clutch bat throughout the season and the ALCS.
The narrative definitely got skewed against him, even though it was an Epic bullpen collapse.
Also, in Game 7, the Sox led 3-0 but the Starter (Bruce Hurst) gave up the 3 runs that tied it in the 6th.
Then Schiraldi came on in the 7th and blew the game (just like he had in Game #6).
But yeah, Billy got a bad rap.
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