Hello, the number of antisemitic acts grew of 74 % in France. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...gate-antisemitic-attacks-in-paris-simone-veil It's a direct consequence of mass migration, you just have to look at the name of all the people which commited antisemitic murder those 25 last years.
Sorry I made a mistake and posted my thread without having finishing it : 2006 : Murder of Illan Halimi, murderer : Youssouf Fofana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ilan_Halimi 2012 : Attack of a school, murderer : Mohammed Merah 2015 : Terrorist attack in a jewish supermarket, murderer : Amedy Coulibaly. 2017 : Murder of Sarah Halimi, murderer : Kobili Traoré. 2017 : Murder of Mireille Knoll, survivor of Vichy regime, murderers : Yacine Mihoub and Alex Carrimbacus Here is the consequences of mass migration : terrorists attacks, murderer. The time of jews in France is over, they're all fleeing iyt. You can't make coexist jew and muslims as you can't make coexist the lamb and the wolf. But the country is insecured for everyone (source in french, use a translator) https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe...s-chiffres-en-forte-augmentation_3087797.html https://www.la-croix.com/France/Securite/violences-gratuites-forte-hausse-2018-08-27-1200964273 That's all the consequences of mass migration : chaos and insecurity. Remember that when you hear someone preach their "die-versity".
I'm not a big fan of Israel neither a supporter of it. Unfortunatly, the israelo-palestinian war is exportated wherever muslim and jews coexisted. There is one place where it still works a little bit, it's Morroco, because the king of Morroco know how to deal with radical muslims : extremme violence.
OP I can't help feeling that many of the stabbings in the UK are perpetrated by radical Muslims, but is being kept quiet.
The biggest irony in that is that all those massive migration policies were often supported by people which are victim of it : gay people and jews. But in the end, the country become less sure for everybody, the rise of violent antisemitic acts is just the upper part of the iceberg, there is more and more violence in France, and probably in UK too.
Well what do we have here? A French monarchist perhaps. His Majesty. Banging on about anti-semitism. Pick out some examples of Jews being murdered, and people with Arab names and there you have it - a manifesto for the Front National. Crude indeed. But then you follow the sources. The first one was a news item about crime. Just that - burglaries and sexual assaults. I suppose you are supposed to just assume that this is due to "arabs" but that wasn't in the report. Crime statistics go and up and down. News channels report on it. So what? The second one was the Catholic newspaper La Croix. Fascinating to see someone who is defending Jews against nasty mooslems linking to the paper that originally became famous for its anti-Dreyfussard stance. It takes some knowledge to understand the impact on French political culture of such a monstrous anti-semitic act. It is massive. The Dreyfuss Affair almost defines fin de siecle France. Anti-semites against civilised people. Le Croix did not cover itself in glory. But now our friend and Majesty calls us to see how this fine newspaper has undergone a transformation into a liberal pillar in the defence of jews. Except it doesn't link to anything like that. It is a statistical global analysis of where immigrants have come to and wither they have gone. No mention of muslims, Jews, anti-semitism or anything. Interesting that the third most popular destination for immigrants is Saudi Arabia, And that no muslim country is in the top four for emigrants. Nothing to feed the racist filth that it was cited to support. So what is this? I don't know, just some more muslim bashing which is so de rigeur in France nowadays. When I see this it reminds me of the pedigree of the extreme Right in France. We have already mentioned the disgraceful role that conservatives played in the Dreyfuss Affair. After that there was the wholesale collaboration of the nation (yes, largely the whole nation with the small exception of a tiny group who joined the Resistance) with Nazi occupation. De Gaulle in a show of moral cowardice then recreated the fiction that the French nation was one of resistance fighters and that they somehow liberated themselves (unaided it would seem by "la perfide albion" or the vulgar Americans). So France added mass denial to its crime of collaboration with evil. The humiliation of the Right in Algeria then was something new they had to contend with so arabs became the focal point for revenge. The Parisian police force under arch Nazi collaborator Papon, got their chance. The same people who had rounded up Jewish children massacred two to three hundred muslims in Paris in 1961. I expect they realised how much evil they had done to Jews so they wanted to make up for it by killing muslims. The French state disgracefully covered this up for forty years, by censoring the press (denial seems to be a consistent theme of the French Right and the French State). It's always useful when dealing with views that chime with those of the Front National to remember the words of Robert Brassilach. He is a spiritual father of the FN and another Vichy traitor whom they revere: Il faut se séparer des juifs en bloc et ne pas garder les petits. It is necessary to separate completely from Jews and not to spare the little ones. Remember, France has an ancient Jewish population and had had a Jewish Prime Minister. These evil "patriots" have now been reincarnated on the Right of French politics today. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Do not be fooled. French racism posing as pro Jewish? They merely are looking for new scapegoats. And note the call for Jews to leave France. These people cannot help it, even when they pretend to be sympathetic. It is deeply embedded in an unrepentant conservative French culture to hate Jews. There are half a million Jews in France. France is their home. Why should they leave?
And here we have it. Collaboration par excellence. It is the Jews fault. And the gays. Quod erat demonstrandum. The mask slips away easily. Do not be fooled by the heirs of Vichy.
Ironically the ones that have gone atheist progressive have created untold suffering for the truly religious ones, who for the most part aren't too much into politics and just want to focus on their religion.
@Heroclitus First and last warning : the next time you insult me, you go on the ignore list, especially with that kind of insults. I'm not saying that's the jews and gays fault, I'm stating a fact : most of their communities supported those policies. Okay, let's make something clear : A french monarchist wouldn't call himself with a tittle which is for the king. Furthermore, the man in my profile picture is Robespierre. Don't bother me of what you pretend to know about Robespierre, 99 % of you would pretend to know belong to its black legend, not what he actually stood for. I'm neither monarchist and republican, your republic is full of lies and send 1,3 millions good french people to death, without counting all the horrors commited by the republic during colonization. You might be surprized, but it's not the same people writting in Lacroix now than in Dreyfus case. Yes, it was a terrible case, but explain me how is it related to the topic ? You don't like Lacroix. Fine, there is other sources : https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe...-hausse-des-agressions-gratuites_3000561.html About the pedigree of extreme right, let's speak of the left. "L'humanité" worked with the nazis, calling to befriend with the nazis : Il est particulièrement réconfortant en ces temps de malheur de voir de nombreux travailleurs parisiens s’entretenir avec les soldats allemands, soit dans la rue, soit au bistro du coin. Bravo camarades, continuez même si cela ne plaît pas à certains bourgeois aussi stupides que malfaisants ! La fraternité des peuples ne sera pas toujours une espérance, elle deviendra une réalité vivante. (L’Humanité, 4 juillet 1940) "It's particulary great to see in those unhappy times numerous working parisian speaking with german soldiers, either in the street or pubs. Bravo camarads, continue even if it doesn't please to some bourgeois, as much stupid than malevolent. The friendship of the people would not be a hope, but a living reality". L'humanité, 4 july 1940/ Let's speak about the past of Laval, number 2 of Vichy Regime after Petain. To what political formation belonged he ? Socialist parti, named SFIO at this time. The biggest achievement of left after war was to manage to have hidden their implications in Vichy. Leftist collaboration during 1940-1945 is less and less a taboo and far to have been something rare. About Jean Marie Le Pen, that I strongly disliked, especially for his stupid racial provocations, something about his past : he tried to join the resistance but was refused because of his young age. Many leftists during the occupation couldn't say the same. The resistance group he tried to joind ended to be exterminated by the nazis, they fought to the last one. One of the first and most active resistance group wasn't the communists which patiently waited 1943, but l'Action Française which resisted from the beginning. Let's continue with the pedigree of the left in France. In the end of the 19th century, the leftist Jules Ferry hugely advocated for colonization, speaking of a duty "of the superior people over the inferior one". In 1953, the communist newspapers "l'humanité" tittled "the death of the great Stalin". Stalin, the butcher of slavs. But if it stopped ! It continue. Nicolas Sarkozy is right winged, he is an arch traitor to France, he sold our gold at the worst moment, signed the european constitution and betrayed the interest of the french people with his stupid Lybia war. Let's continue with his leftist successor, François Hollande, he armed the "rebels" in Syria, many weapons ended in the hands of ISIS, making of the leftist François Hollande one of the responsible of ISIS, he is far to be the only, we could speak of the american and the saudis. Let's continue to see what wonderfull people are leftists, Christophe Castern, former socialist (until 2017, then he joined E.Macron), declared when he was the spokesperson of E.Macron that we should "welcome" the jihadists. Let remember what did ISIS : genocide, slavery, slaughters. I'm not far right, the Front National are parasites and burden, I spit on your clanic and absurd conception of policies of left and right. If you want to continue that joke of being right winged or left winged, it would be without me. I don't appreciate far right people, but I despise leftists. They always act as if they had the morale high ground, as if they were angels, but they have the hands full of blood and sit on mountains of death. And last point : It's not a call, I'm describing an unfortunate fact. https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/22/middleeast/france-israel-jews-immigration/index.html Who caused that ? People like you.
I'm quaking in my boots. Please don't put me on the ignore list. Oh that would be so terrible. It is a familiar "blame the victim" technique. It is a fact that anti-semites frequently blame Jews for their own persecution. It is also de facto racist. The Jewish community in France is made up of different people who support different policies. Characterising all people from one race as supporting one type of policy is what the Nazis and the Vichy government do. It is FN stuff. You know it. Monarchist would be one possibility. As to Robespierre I think it is an actor. I think you are talking about the French Republic and the Terror. Not sure why. I think it is ironic that you would quote the chief organ of the anti-Dreyfussards in an post pretending to oppose anti-semitism. That's all. As to the link, there was nothing of relevance to your post on the La Croix link. Tell me how the La Croix link (which was perfectly fine by the way - the Catholic Church does learn slowly) supported your post. It did not. Neither did the other one. So I won't be wasting any more of my time following your links. I said all this already. Yes, this backs up my point. The filthy French communist Party (as with all communist parties world-wide) supported the Nazis as well. This was to do with the fact that there was a Hitler Stalin pact. They were allies with the Nazis. Most of the nation collaborated. That's my point. And in their refusal to back Macron at the last election, they collaborated with Nazis again. Please keep making my point for me. As I said the whole of France collaborated. And de Gaulle then led the whole nation in denial cover up and fraud. Instead of facing their evil past like the Germans did, the French told themselves fairy stories about how brave they had been. Yes he tried to join the communist Resistance in November 1944, when Germany and Vichy's defeat was all but assured - a lot of French people did that. His career as a Nazi, an anti-semite, an apologist for Vichy, a defender of French traitors who joined the SS, a Holocaust denier and a generally vile and evil man, started immediately after that. You have that wrong: Maurrass's Action Francaise was an active collaborator with Vichy. The unit he tried to join was communist. He then joined the Action Francaise and organised violence against communist students. The French Communist Party have also been collaborators and apologists for tyranny. Melanchon's ambiguity towards Macron was another example of communist treachery against civilised values. Not the point really. These are other discussions. That's funny! But if you continue to do the work of the FN on forums like this you may find that I will call you on it. If you put me ignore it won't bother me. I'm not trying to debate with fascists, if that's what you are, I'm only interested in exposing them. If you are not a fscist then you should choose your words more carefully. France is far too tolerant of its Nouvelle Vichy Collaboratrice. She and her party are fascist, firmly in the tradition of the collaborators who went before her. French people might not like this indelicacy. Where many of them see her ditching of her father as a piece of moderation, I see Hitler and the Night of the Long Knives. Jean Marie was just Rohm, a thug with no finesse. Marie is smart and needs to be exposed wherever her soldiers raise their head. I can only do my small bit. If you don't want to be treated like an FN blackshirt, then don't post like one. You do not sound like a liberal. That pretty much leaves monarchist if you are not far right. It really doesn't matter. It's your posts I am challenging, not you. The posts that I am challenging are full of racism and anti-semitism. I know French Jews are leaving France. Hundreds of thousands remain. Your OP is perfect for those who believe "yes Jews and Muslims don't mix, let them go to their own homelands". The solution is French laicite and the development of French civil society around secular values of tolerance. Efforts need to be made to de-ghettoise the banlieues. But first French people need to face up to the deep racism that has permeated their society since Dreyfus (let's start there). A country whose Nazi police murdered arabs fifteen years after the end of WW2, with bodies floating in the Seine, that then covered it up for forty years, has some soul searching to do. You are right about the Left, it would seem that Mitterrand also had a made up war record. The whole nation - apart from some truly brave people - collaborated. It really is not surprising that such chauvinism is reflected now in the resentment of a small minority of embittered French muslims. But using generalisations like "Jews" and "gays" and "muslims" and ascribing blame and commonality to all of these groups, as if there is some sort of collective conspiracy where they all act as one, demonstrates the kind of racism that both Jewish and muslim people have to flee. When policy is discussed like this it is only bigotry that emerges.
For you yes, for me no. I don't discuss with people to be insulted, especially when people can hide behind their screen. Not really. Saying that the majority of gay people for instance support the left and so mass migration isn't a big secret. I'm not saying that all jews support their policy,. I just notice an irony of history, not saying that they deserved something. My post seems to be a big rorsharsh test, I would prefer if you stick with what I actually says, not what you fantasize. I'm a xenophobic isolationnist. I think that the country should live in the most isolated way possible, either from people, but too from commercial importations. It include oil, we should stay out of the business of other countries. I'm against EU, NATO, international compainies. On societal matters, I don't care if gay people can marry or not or that kind of thing, even if I wouldn't like that a man dressed as a woman start to ask me to call him "Madame". Robespierre defended the abolishment of slavery, universal voting, put laws against speculation on bread, was against expansion revolutonnary war and even defended at a part of his life abolishment of death penalty. Should we be surprized he was executed and used as a scapegoat of all of the atrocities of the revolution ? He was one of the only sincere servant of the french people, and even if he is tragic, made many mistakes, I like him. I'm neither monarchist and republican, here is the point. I claimed there were a global rise of insecurity, the post of Lacroix sourced my sayings on that. I didn't knew for the acts of the newspaper during the case of Dreyfus, and I don't care. That's more than one century ago. Most of the country tried to survive despite the rationning or the fact that the adult men were in german STO. The "all resistant" or "all nazis supporters" are both completely wrong. The majority of people weren't collaborators or resistants, they were just surviving. Most people hated their invaders, very few of them did something against them. Yes and he was 16 when he decided to fight the nazis. I bet you couldn't says the same. Mauras yes, but a lot of resistants were extremly nationalistic and belonging to that action française movement. That's why the action movement française died very quickly after WW2 because many people couldn't follow Maurras anymore. Yes it's the point, you were starting to speak of the pedigree of far right in France, I think it should be interesting of speaking of the pedigree of the rest of the politicians of France. I mean, I was speaking of a nowodays issue and you started to go off topic and speak of WW2. I neither support nazi regime, neither I supported that new invasion. I don't appreciate german invaders, neither nowodays one. I don't care if the FN reach the power. Do you really think that I prefer the last presidents that caused hundred of thousand of death in the middle east . Do you think I like to have as a president someone which insulted all my country by pretending that french culture doesn't exist ? Do you think I like to have for president a man which sold vital part of french economy to some american big companies, making us the vassal of those companies (the selling of Alstom Energy by Macron to some american companies, that company was producing some vital parts of french electricity). Yes, the leaders of the FN are a bunch of morons. That's true. But I don't think that Marine Le Pen is worse than some people like Hollande, Macron or Sarkozy. So yes, if M Le Pen is one day elected president of France, I wouldn't be sad or happy, I would just consider that an evil was replaced by another evil, neither a bigger or smaller one, maybe a most obvious one. For me the FN is the shepherd's dog. Shepherds use a dog to frighten the sheeps so they could go in the direction the shepherd wish. You can lead the sheeps in the direction you wish for, the slaughterhosue for instance. The FN is for me that shepherd dog, and the slaughterhouse is people like Macron. The sheeps should fear the slaughterhouse. Does that mean that the shepherd dog is their friend ? No. You know all my opinion about the FN and Macron now. You should learn the definition of the words you use. Do I think that people are inequal because of their race ? No. Do I think that all french people are equal no matter their colour of skin ? Yes. Do I support the massive migration of foreigners which aren't of french/european culture ? No. Do I support the disappearance of french culture under mass american culture ? No. I'm xenophobic yes, racist or anti-semitic, no. Yes. Except that those jews had for homeland France. You can't de-ghettoise the banlieues. Most of those people scorn/hate the kuffar or the babtous, you're presenting racism like an issue only incoming from gauls, the white french (for obvious reasons I make a difference between gauls and ethnic french, because you can include caraibean french into the native french), but it's not the case. Yes, there is some racist gauls, but there is racist from the both side. Yo ucan't mix different people, that just doesn't work. Everytime leftists present that as a one sided problem, but that's not, there is a lot of difficulties in both sides. Black and arabic people, you can manage them. You just have to do like my frankish and norman ancestors. What did the frankish when they came into gaul ? They married as much as possible people of the gallo-roman aristocracy. What did my ancestors when they arrived in that territory which became normandy ? They married local frank women. That's why too the norman were so successfull in colonizing England, because they adapted the same strategy. Mixed mariage is one easy solution to the racial part of the problem. In a few decades, there is no more problem anymore. But for that, you need to isolate completely the country from the harmfull outside, because if you keep bringing foreigners, people won't mix together. But muslims, yes a part of them will end to integrate in the culture. But most of them won't. Their religious values are too different of the values of the french society. Tolerance can work at an extent, but it's not magical. Common rules and values are necessary for a society to exst. Oh please, leftists spend their time to explain how much we are monster. Excepted if you think that working with the nazis "just trying to survive", most people didn't collaborated, neither resisted. Says the guys which spended his time to says that french people were mean evil jew eater being which all activly worked with the nazis. You can't avoid to essentialize a group. That's a tool, and it have to be considered as a tool. By the way that jews, french, gay or muslims aren't a single minded entity. But however, in many groups, you can see tendancies. So yes, we can say "the french", "the muslims", "the gay", we just have to remember we speak only of tendancies, not a single minded thing.
