St. Louis couple charged for pulling guns at protest

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  1. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Looks like you can arrest those 3 then, though you'll probably only stick charges on the 1.
     
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    Sure, but whether he gets charged or not, have we reached some consensus that this post wasn't accurate?
     
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    Depends. I was talking about a particular instance I'd seen on tape which does not appear to be the same one you cited.
    Nor does it allow you to arrest each and every person at these "checkpoints", as stated, only the person you've got on tape actually pointing a firearm. As with Karen here. I believe I'm on record previously in other threads denouncing the blocking of roads as illegal, but the "checkpoint" that I was thinking of was more panhandling style walking up to people at stop lights and signs.
    You can mark it a victory if that makes you feel better I suppose.
    Does that answer your question?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you made it up? Another tantrump.
     
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    The governor of the state has already stated the two will receive a full pardon from him if they are convicted, and the district attorney will face serious repercussions for their actions if they proceed with the charges. Meaning this is nothing more than political theater at this point, done for no other reason than try to assuage those who are currently angry enough to destroy public and private property without a second thought.
     
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    A pardon means you have to accept guilt. That means they're amenable to a civil suit.
    That's why the AG filed an amicus to try to get it dismissed. Its not going to get dismissed.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dont get emotional. Go ahead and back up the claim that the homeowners are bigots.
     
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    They weren’t protestors. They were an illegal threatening mob on private property a split second away from violently attacking these people and destroying their homes and others. How many 1000s of businesses across the country were destroyed by these exact same “peaceful protesters?”
     
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    Apparently you've missed the news over the last couple of months where innocent peoples businesses and private property were destroyed? People beaten (some to death) trying to protect their personal property and the massive uptick in violent crimes?

    Recent events have me carrying religiously now.
     
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    Fair enough, I appreciate the elaboration of your thinking. I haven't seen the video you have, but you should know that the incident in the video I provided is not the only case of Black Lives Matter protesters threatening passers-by with guns at illegal roadblocks or checkpoints. For another example, 8-year-old Secoria Turner was murdered by Black Lives Matter protesters at this same style of illegal roadblock / checkpoint in Atlanta. Whether everyone manning the roadblock could be arrested or not would depend a bit on the local laws, but I'd be rather surprised if local LEOs couldn't arrest them all for either some flavor of conspiracy charge or something along the lines of false imprisonment / kidnapping, if their mayors permitted them to enforce the laws.
     
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    So you agree that every protester that has done property damage and or assaulted innocent people for merely protecting their property should be in jail right now then.. Good... We should get started as it's going to take some time to get all these heathens behind bars!
     
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    If you're actually blocking the road, then everyone participating in blocking the road can catch the same charge for that.
    If the point of blocking the road which you can somehow prove to the jury was a common scheme was to allow armed gunmen to directly point guns at people and attempt to extort money from them in that fashion, then everyone blocking the road can catch the same charge as the gunman. You'd have to show they were parties though. If they're just blocking the road, and armed gunmen take advantage of that but aren't directly working with the blockers, then you're going to have a hard time charging the lot of them with the actions of the gunmen.
     
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    The fact that FOX News brainwashed someone into being delusional and dangerous doesn't excuse the perp's crimes.

    If you threaten peaceful protesters who are no threat to you with guns, you'll be arrested and jailed. You need to understand that prosecutors and juries are not as hopelessly brainwashed as Trump cultists are.You won't be able to spout some raving fantasy and use it to escape prosecution.
     
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    So you imagine the nationwide riots are a fabrication of FOX news? Do tell. I bet the businesses that got looted wish you were correct.
     
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    The McCloskey's have repeatedly stated that the mob of rioters threatened them directly and caused them to fear they would receive serious bodily harm.
     
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    And the video of the whole incident shows they're lying about that.
     
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    The McCloskys stated, with counsel, that they only ever feared "2 bad actors" in the "otherwise peaceful" protest.
    Which is why Karen is catching a case, because you can see her point the piece at more than 2 people.
    She hung herself, that's why they're getting charged.
     
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    I haven't seen "video of the whole incident". I've only seen snippets selectively edited by members of the same mob of rioters. Have you got a link to this "video of the whole incident"?
     
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    Do you have a link?
     
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    IT's actually Black Lives Matter Sometimes - BLMS
     
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    The lives of black individuals matter to politicians only so long as they are a vote that can be exploited for their own personal/political gain. The lives of black individuals matter to other black individuals only when they are killed by a white individual. Otherwise they do not care if black individuals are being killed or not. Suggesting the black community only cares about the lives of its individuals members, so far as it wishes to have sole jurisdictional authority when it comes to killing its fellow members.
     
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    Not only did they witness this mob destroy private property to gain access they witnessed them in a criminal trespass and any one having watched the actions of these mobs over the last few months would have a reasonable fear of life and property and that only reinforced by the threats the mob issued to the couple. They were WELL within their 2nd Amendment and statutory law to defend themselves. The state AG is in contact with this local DA to get this resolved, ie dropped, and the Governor has already said that any conviction by a jury, highly unlikely, will be pardoned.
     
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    That article says "Al Watkins ... said"

    You said "The McCloskys stated"

    That may seem nitpicky to you, but it's an important distinction. I believe this article does a decent job of outlining the reasons why charging the McClosky's for a crime based on the hearsay of their attorney may prove problematic:

     
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    Serious question, are you in middle school?
     

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