Standards lowered to produce first female Green Beret.....

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  1. Strasser

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    It's a play on Nietzsche's 'Uber Mensch', the Nazis favorite philosopher's concept, and derivative of.Bismarck's campaign to create a binding sense of cohesion and nationalism inside of the then new German Federation of the 1870's. Max Weber and others were proponents of the 'German People' as a distinct nation and tribe; the Nazis just built on what was already a government policy of the former Imperial govt. and added eugenics and 'scientific' and historical overtones to the concept, so while those words were never literally used, it is an acceptable indication of what they were inventing for themselves and the Nietzchian/Nazi 'Ideal German' fantasy. Nietzsche was a homosexual who was infected with syphilis and died from it, essentially insane, for those unfamiliar with him and his 'philosophy'.

    The Orthodox Jewish version is also highly racist and fixated on 'racial purity' and their families' genealogies as well; substitute 'Chosen People' for 'Master Race', for instance, and you have more or less the same idea. The idea is as old as the idea of tribes and distinct peoples in human history, not something invented by Nazis or right wing Japanese, despite the modern window dressing 'science' can add to terminology and rhetoric.
     
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    One thing I loved about having the privilege of serving in a special forces unit was the fact that there were no women and I loved the pt. I only served in one a unit with women for one year and absolutely hated it. Putting women into the mix of a unit like that will do no good in my opinion. And no I am not special forces tabbed, just served in the unit MID 2nd Battalion 3rd SFG. I can tell youmfirst hand the physical fitness level you were expected to have was pretty high.
     
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    Look up the maintenance hours for most modern gear versus older gear, especially armor, excluding electronics, or even including some of it. You need either a lot more personnel, or demanding a lot more hours from the personnel available for support, and we know they aren't hiring a lot more soldiers, so the physical requirements have to increase, not decrease, across the board. Example:

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/220/213784.pdf

    Note they won't include the additional hours and labor, so you know those are most likely outrageously above the numbers originally sold to the committees.

    Older stuff for the Peanut Gallery that I just have available at the moment, that may or may not be relevant currently, semi-related.

    http://www.317thengineers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Eschborn-V-Vehicles.pdf

    http://asktop.net/wp/download/3/R710_1.pdf
     
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    The Limies use to call them f*gs.
     
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    The US Army Infantry Training Brigade is at Ft Benning, GA, just outside Columbus, along the Chattahoochee, where, according to country singer Alan Jackson, it gets hotter than a hoochie coochie. It's nickname is "Sandhill". You can imagine the pain they inflict on infantry recruits.
     
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    As an infantry fire team leader in Iraq 2004-05, my load consisted of OTV with ceramic plates, Kevlar helmet, combat lifesaver bag, M-16 with M203 grenade launcher attachment, sometimes a 12 gauge for breaching doors, ammo (various 40mm m203 rounds, a dozen or so m16 mags, a couple of fragmentation grenades, an incendiary grenade, a 100 oz water blister aka camelback. My squad automatic weapons gunner carried 1000 rounds on him, my rifleman carried various other tools such as a breach kit aka hooligan tools or a collapse-able ladder. We were all weighted down to the max. I always asked the question, "how is this 'light 'infantry.?..LOL
     
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    Speaking of 'hot', do they still do any training in Panama after basic? My father's units had to before being shipped to Australia in the '40's. They went through Benning back then. He said it was the most miserable time of his life there. His unit history:

    http://www.ww2-airborne.us/18corps/503_overview.html

    This part isn't entirely true; some of the officers went on to Japan. They were reassigned to other units in the 11th and some intel staffs before the units were deactivated stateside, as were some of the sergeants.

    All men with lengthy service in the Southwest Pacific had been rotated to the United States while those who had served the Combat Team for a shorter time had been reassigned to the 11th Airborne Division and sent as occupation troops to Japan.

    He lost his best friend to an artillery piece landing on them somewhere, New Guinea, I think.
     
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    I couldn't tell you the answer about Panama. My 1st squad leader back in early 2000 was stationed there as was one of my drill sgts. My squad leader told me about getting punched by a monkey who stole his peanuts...LOL
     
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    Interesting reading one after another telling their history, apparently claiming everything and anything ground combat and special forces types do is ONLY what they did. No one else EVER did or will do anything but what they did, that's all and only what the Marines, Rangers, Green Berets, Infantry and all special forces do ever - exactly and only what they did. Then explain no woman could.
     
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    Obviously a lot of men must have died because of that woman if others are correct. How many deaths did that woman cause?
     
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    Male or female monkey? :xd:
     
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    It had to be a male....LMAO
     
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    All I said is that is sucks having women in your unit. Imo.
     
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    We never had them, but I heard about it. Slow runs, no challenge.

    I will say this though. We had a couple of females on our FOB that we would take on patrol with us to search female locals. They were no problem. We also took a civil affairs team with a female into our sector sometimes and she was no problem. That said, they were being escorted by us. They were not doing our job, not saying they couldn't.
     
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    Perfect example. The claim is being made that if any role can be found that women can not meet - such as fast marching or running 20 miles with a 120 pack, then women should be allowed no role whatsoever. By that logic, since that was a mission task the men couldn't, the same logic says no man should be allowed any role.
     
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    But then you provide no studies of women attempting to do modern infantry combat tasks.
    Here is a study proving how even having a small number of women in combat units causes them to suffer:

    The Marine Corps just released a year-long study testing whether women can survive the rough, grueling world of ground combat. The details are stark. All male units outperformed mixed-gender units across the board. Here's the decision Marine leaders have to make now - ask the Pentagon to still bar women from ground combat or push for tougher physical standards to let them in. Here's NPR's Tom Bowman.

    TOM BOWMAN, BYLINE: The Marine Corps created a battalion of 100 women and 300 men last fall to test whether opening up jobs in the infantry, artillery and armor to women is a good idea. NPR went along. They carried heavy packs and mounted patrols, shot at targets and dug fighting holes, practiced pulling the wounded to safety.

    BOWMAN: Others changed massive tires on armored vehicles, while still others loaded artillery shells.

    PAUL JOHNSON: Those are measurements of things that we believe impact combat effectiveness.

    JOHNSON: In 93 out of 134 tasks that we tested across the MOS's, the all-male groups outperformed the integrated groups.

    BOWMAN: And those task basically tell how good a unit is in fighting the enemy. Johnson's study found that male-only squads, teams and crews outperform those mixed with males and females. Today, a four-page synopsis of the study was released, and the Marines says the full study will be released soon.

    All-male units were faster in moving to a target, the study found, especially with a heavy weapon like a machine gun. They also had more hits on target and at a faster rate. And the number of females in those mixed-gender units was small. They tested with one woman, then two women. The numbers were kept low to reflect this reality. Women make up just 7 percent of the Marine Corps.

    The study pointed to what it called notable differences in the amount of time it took an all-male unit to evacuate a wounded Marine compared to a mix-gender unit. In addition, women had trouble climbing over a barrier with their packs and often needed assistance. And they suffered more injuries, like stress fractures from carrying heavy packs. Still, the Marines included no specific time differences in the synopsis, and they said the findings do not necessarily mean that women should be barred from ground combat.
    https://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/4392...ase-results-of-study-on-women-in-combat-units

    So even a few women in a combat unit will cause it to be less effective 70% of the time.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

     
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    Using your silly logic, if you were doing a drug study, and the drug caused adverse reactions or death 70% of the time over a standard drug---would you approve the drug?

    Would you also want our troops to use tanks, jets and other equipment that was 40% weaker and could not do as much 70% of the time?

    If you had to defend your own life with a gun, would you carry one that jammed more often, held less ammo, and fired weaker rounds?

    I'll name you one example right here. Jessica Lynch.

    In the interview, Lynch also clears up conflicting stories about her actions during the March 23 ambush in which Lynch was taken prisoner. Initial reports portrayed the Army supply clerk, then 19, as a hero who was wounded by Iraqi gunfire but kept firing until her ammunition ran out, shooting several Iraqis.

    "I did not shoot, not a round, nothing," she tells Sawyer. "When we were told to lock and load, that's when my weapon jammed … I did not shoot a single round … I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember."

    Nine American soldiers were killed in the firefight.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132434&page=1

    She was also anally raped and now has to crap into a bag.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/07/usa.iraq
     

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