Stanford Epidemiologist On COVID Death Rate: 0.15%

The point is rather obvious. There is simply no way to justify the cost of COVID mitigation given the negligible risk that COVID poses to the general populace.

 

From one person, who you have an emotional attachment to, and who doesn't have any expertise in statistics or epidemiology.

 

The real harm caused by COVID mitigation has vastly outweighed the theoretical benefits. That is painfully obvious at this point and has been for some time. Naturally, you want to resort to emotional blackmail to prop up your flimsy narrative because the evidence is not on your side and never was. But the fact remains, people like you have turned society upside-down for over a year based on a virus with a 0.15% death rate, and which overwhelmingly targets people who were already on the verge of death. You've done irreparable, severe damage to society, and you accomplished virtually nothing in the process. In other words, just another day in liberal la-la land.

 

The problem with doing this with covid is that the covid death numbers have been purposely inflated (due to redefining other causes of death as "death by covid", and also due to governmental monetary incentives to classify as many deaths as possible as "death by covid")... This is not something that we do with every other disease, thus we don't have any accurate covid death numbers to work with.

The known covid case numbers are also grossly inflated due to persistent testing with an inaccurate PCR test, testing a portion of people time and time and time and time again, which allows for many people to be considered as a "case" even though they were never infected at any point. This is also something that we don't do with any other disease, so these numbers are also unusable.

IOW, we are just making schiff up and using that made up schiff to fear monger people into acting in a certain way.

 

Funny how all the estimates that are used to promote COVID alarmism are accepted by the COVID alarmists without question, but any estimate that seems to undercut COVID alarmism is put under a microscope.

 

If the pro-life crowd can resort to emotional blackmail, then so can I.

But yes, those dry statistics you want to cite correlate to real human beings who are suffering and dying, and many more who are mourning losses, and your only justification so far is that, in your mind, the economic harm is worse than the mitigation.

By the way, it's not just liberals who support taking measures to mitigate the spread of this disease. Every society and nation around the world has done so, and rightfully so. This disease is becoming even more of a problem now that it's beginning to mutate and become more deadly among groups who were originally less vulnerable. That's one big reason that mitigating the spread is so important, of course. Viruses evolve, and they do so more rapidly than we do.

 

Emotional blackmail is basically all you have.

Where did I mention anything about economic harm?

Authoritarians from all over the world have used COVID as an excuse to impose totalitarianism on their societies, to varying degrees. Liberals just happen to be the biggest cheerleaders for this dystopian new normal.

Alarmist nonsense.

 

I don't care about made up numbers... I didn't even look into where the OP's numbers originated from because I don't really care tbh... The best that can be done at this point is estimates because we don't have any valid RAW data to work from.

In any event, covid is not anything worth fear mongering over. It is a rather mild variation of SARS. Meh. It is not the Black Plague, Smallpox, or even the Spanish Flu.

 

I'm just glad that more and more people are moving on from this nightmare. States like Florida and Texas are leading the way back to normality. Granted, there are still some important battles that need to be fought and won, especially the battle over fascist vaccine passports, but the momentum seems to be shifting slowly but surely in the direction of liberty. I think this summer may be the summer when the dam finally breaks and millions of fence-sitters decide they've had enough of this COVID lunacy.

 

All fun and games with numbers until it's a loved who dies or ends up as a long-hauler.

 

Nope... Redefining flu into covid is what has "taken away" the flu for the season.

Masks do not stop viruses, nor does social distancing. Mask pores are too large, and viruses travel much farther than six feet.

How can a mask stop a flu virus but not a covid virus when both flu viruses and covid viruses are approximately 100 nanometers in diameter? And IF you wish to believe in the "viruses are foreverbound to and only travel within water droplets" nonsense, then the same question applies. They are the same sized virus inside of the same sized water droplets. How can a mask stop water droplets containing flu but not water droplets containing covid??

You are faithfully believing in complete and utter nonsense. Again, redefining flu into covid is why flu numbers are so low this flu season compared to past flu seasons. One such way of doing so is to just assume that one has covid, get tested for covid, and have an inaccurate test claim that, due to you having a tiny bit of covid way deep in your nasal cavities, that you are infected with covid rather than flu, which was not tested for because nobody cares about flu right now because they've been manipulated into believing that everything is covid and that covid is all that matters.

 

baseless nonsense.

total fabrication.

 

Indeed. This is obvious because there is no spike in all-cause mortality; it is right in line with prior years.

 

No, we don't.

Plenty of deaths do, yes. That's not the same as redefining.

No, they noted that his immediate cause of death was heart failure due to his underlying cause of death which was cancer. That is not an instance of redefinition. That is what normally occurs when reporting deaths.

Redefinition is what is going on with covid, when the term "underlying cause of death" (such as your step dad's cancer) is being redefined into "unrelated coincidence". IOW, covid "existing inside of a patient" is being treated as an equivalent to covid "causing the patient's death". Unfortunately, the former is being redefined into the latter for purposes of control via fear mongering. An internet friend of mine has summed this up quite well here: https://politiplex.freeforums.net/thread/78/covid-19-deaths-debunked

 

Even a 2% fatality rate is not very significant.

 

So he's "ignoring the ones who disagree with his point of view"... You're also "ignoring the ones who disagree with your point of view". At best, this is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

People suffer and die every single day. There is nothing out of line with all-cause mortality rates.

Hospitals are not overrun. Sure, you can act like it if you play games with mathematics, but in actuality hospitals are not overrun at all.

One could make a claim like this about anything, so this is utterly meaningless. One could claim that street lights keep elephants away, and then due to there being no elephants in the streets, claim that the "elephant mitigation efforts" are "working". IOW, you are just making schiff up. I am not as stupid as your typical forum user is; this sort of schiff will not fly with me.

Masks do not stop viruses; their pores are far too large. Social distancing does not stop viruses; viruses travel much farther than six feet.

So?

I get it; the media told you to hate President Trump. I truly do get it.

Bigotry. Doesn't surprise me, though, since many leftists are bigots. After all, the political party which such leftists support was racist and bigoted from its very formation in 1828 (and is no different today).

You don't get to speak for other people ("the rest of the country and the world").

Appeal to Emotion Fallacy. Strawman Fallacy. Nobody has made any such claim within this thread.

Statistically speaking, yes.

Long term after-effects can happen after exposure to any virus (or after any disease). This is nothing special about covid.

I get it; the media told you to hate President Trump. I truly do get it.

Define "reality" for us all; I am awaiting your complete and utter failing at defining the word... Hint: the word is defined by the Philosophical branch of Phenomenology.

The "economic upset" is a direct effect of Demonkkkrat Governors shutting down their States and not allowing businesses to operate (or operate at partial capacity). Those Governors directly caused it.

Those are people, not statistics.

It doesn't target anyone, but anyone who has been exposed to it can potentially become infected.

No. We just never should've pretended that masks, social distancing, lockdowns/shutdowns, plexiglass barriers, plastic wrap, etc. could somehow stop a virus.

We SHOULD take measures to prevent infection, including eating healthy, exercising regularly, getting enough sunlight (and/or supplementing Vitamin D), getting enough Vitamin C and Zinc, and if an infection occurs, treating such covid infections early on with Hydroxy and Ivermectin (which numerous countries have done to great success).

More appeals to emotion... Once again, dismissed.

 

I don't know whether he is a top epidemiologist or not. What I do know is that we had 300 covid deaths in our county. If the FR would be 0.15%, this would mean that the whole population of the county would have been infected. Clearly, this was not the case, otherwise there would be no more new cases, but there are. Therefore, I know with 100% certainty that in my county, the FR was higher than 0.15%. I rather go with the 2% FR that the case numbers of my county, and many other official numbers predict, rather than some theoretical low number that heavily depends on estimating the number of people who had covid but never got tested.

 

They did a random survey of New Yorkers and tested for antibodies which gave them an estimate of the total cases for New York City.

Yhey do estimate the number of flu cases for the flu

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burde..., 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths.

 

It is when coupled with a high infection rate

 

Where are you going to go with that number? It seems pretty useless.

Here are some other numbers.

https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavi...19-fatality-rate-including-asymptomatic-cases

Here are those estimates, stated as the percentage of all those infected (symptomatic and asymptomatic) who are surviving:
0-19 Years 99.997%
20-49 Years 99.98%
50-69 Years 99.5%

 

They are still testing people for the flu, they (whomever they are) have not redefined anything.

Whomever said they stopped the flu but not COVID? Certainly not me.

As I have told a few people on this forum, my view of COVID is based almost entirely upon what my wife and her fellow medical professionals have told me. My wife has been a critical care nurse for more than a decade. She had dealt with a lot of things prior to COVID and she has spent the last year working half her shifts in a negative pressure area treating those with COVID.

She is not prone to hysteria or exaggeration, thus when she told me she has never seen anything attack a person the way COIVD does, I believed her. She has no reason to lie to me. When she tells me she has never in her 10 plus years seen anything that took a patient from doing ok to near death as fast as COVID, I believe her. I have been hearing her tell me about the COVID patients for a year now, and her experiences are not regulated to only her, all the nurses and doctors we know have had the same experience. My wife almost had her finger broken by a patient with COVID delirium, something that is not found in the flu or any of the other crap you people like to call COVID.

My wife works for the VA, they have no reason to inflate numbers, they do not get paid more for COVID patients than others.

For me the bottom line is I can believe what my wife of 28 plus years has told me or I can believe what you people on the internet think is true.

I hope you can understand why I am not choosing to believe you.

 

I sure hope so! Here in Wisconsin, our not-yet-fully-compromised Supreme Court not too long ago finally told King Evers to shove his illegal and unconstitutional mask mandates where the sun don't shine. Evers has sure been a tyrant here, completely ignoring State Statute 323.10 regarding emergency orders. He even defied the wishes of our Legislature (who I wish had more fight in them) by illegally re-implementing the mask mandate an hour after our Legislature removed it per their State Statute 323.10 powers.

Now we just need to get our businesses open again... Some businesses here are defying the illegal mandates and operating per normal anyway, especially in more conservative areas of the State.

 

Appeal to Emotion and fear mongering.

I've had a few family members get covid. Worst (and only) symptoms were loss of taste/smell and a slight cough.

 

Not even then.