You had a nuke dad too? I think we met here and talked about this before...but I could be wrong. My old man was a fixture at the Nevada Test Site, his specialty was weapons effects.
The requirements on entanglement and subsequent movement are harsh if the objeecttive is to move general information. For example, if you want to transport into some nearby space ship, you would need to move entangled particles into that spaceship by some other means. So, the entanglement doesn't actually help - you still have to have a method of moving particles by standard means. Thus, no light speed, no magical movement through barriers, no help wiith reassembly of particles into a document, let alone a human, etc. (As far as I understand it.)
True. I'm just saying that the energy put into rearranging the particles on the paper to create higher order information doesn't add mass.
I've said already that it isn't practical to make a Spooky Action Radio. But that doesn't mean that information isn't somehow transferred. According to Bell, it must be somehow.
How exactly do you rearrange the particles? Something just sitting on a piece of paper isn't stored information.
But I am thinking about the difference between information, and useful information. I remember a guest lecturer who showed that random information cannot do work. But useful or ordered information can do work. You can actually build a machine that will demonstrate this.
On a different note entirely, I also keep thinking about the consciousness problem applied to sleep. The one video posted earlier mentions it as a longstanding problem in philosophy. Maybe part of the self requires continuity. Maybe the person we are dies every time we go to sleep. Then an entirely new consciousness, with all the same memories and brain function, awakes the next day. Do we die every time we go to sleep? Now that's a question that will fester.
So how about the use of holographic technology for substitution of a person such as the emergency medical hologram or the rooms, holodecks, that will give a near life experience? Comments? Hypothesis? Moi
Well, we have a whole library of congress that I would argue is "stored information". I'm not sure why markings on paper don't count.
Bell proved otherwise. That is the meaning of the statement: There are no hidden variables. One of the core tenets of Quantum Mechanics is that the particles exist in a superposition of eigenstates until we make a measurement. As I said, it is Schrodinger's Cat - the spin is undefined. So there is no unique information to move. It doesn't exist yet. The cat is both dead and alive until we look inside the box. This is the heart of the mystery.
How exactly do you rearrange print on a page? Don't you have to erase it and then rewrite it? Sure it counts. But you can't just move the particles around.
I certainly can't argue with that. However, that still requires the entangled particals to be separated by normal transport. And, the information seems limited to essentially one bit per entangled particle. And, upon inspection of one particle, a person simply knows something about the other particle - the inspector doesn't get to choose what's sent. So, I don't see how it's useful in designing teleportation. In fact, it doesn't seem useful in creating a telegraph.
Well,, that would work. But, as a thought experiment one could imagine a machine that could move molecules using electrostatic forces, or whatever. I think we can use energy to add complexity to a subsystem without increasing its mass.
It is really a matter increasing order - reducing entropy for the system. But you still can't take a thought experiment in isolation. As with so much of physics, when you apply it to a real or complete problem, things get more complicated. We can easily overlook physical limitations of a problem. I'm not sure you can make a machine to do what you say. If so, explain how it works specifically. There is also the problem of what we mean when we say "information". It would seem to include an increase in mass, energy, or order. We are safe to say that by adding energy to a system, we increase mass. That is right from Relativity. The information-energy, or information-mass equivalence is still elusive.
The other thing that keeps coming up is that the amount of information stored is very small compared to the energy and mass added to store the information. This makes me suspect that how the information is modified becomes significant. Recall that based on the one experiment, It takes about 100 billion bits of information to account for the mass of one proton.
The design could involve paper plus some form of particle that is color contrasted for readabilitty and can be moved by some electromagnetic force. I'm not saying that mass could NOT be added. I'm saying that the information content, order, could be increased without adding mass or energy. That is, the markings on the paper can be moved without leaving additional mass or energy - that is, the paper is unchanged in mass or energgy and the particles are also unchanged in mass or energy. However, information has been increased as the paper shows. The story changes if you increase the frame to include the mechanism of change, etc. Clearly, energy went into the change. I'm just addressing the point that an object doesn't become more massive simply because it was changed by some outside force in a way that conveys more information.
I keep thinking of the energy needed to erase what was written and residue left behind. But clearly more highly ordered information, say in the form of sentences, as opposed to random scribbles using the same amount of lead or ink or work to apply, contains more information but could weight the same. That's why I included the reduction of entropy in my definition. Increasing order decreases the entropy of the system. It would be interesting to consider how much work has to be done to apply ordered information, as opposed to random information, to any storage media.
I look at it this way....everything physical has mass....as far as I know...and it also has a temperature ....a size...composed of different things...so you can get all kinds of information from anything....you can also get water from a turnip....but a turnip isn't water. You can get information from everything. ...that doesn't mean everything is information.
The problem is, information can do work. Anything that can do work possesses energy. And Energy is equivalent to mass. Or more accurately, mass is a manifestation of energy. That's the great thing about physics. About the time the world seems to make sense, physics blows it all to hell. The new paradigm peeking its head out is that information may be the fundamental building block of all reality. It is critical to understand that Maxwell's Demon haunted all of physics for a century. It seemed to show a limitation of the second law of thermodynamics, which is considered by many to be the most important equation in all of physics. But the realization that information can do work, resolved the mystery. And structured information can do work. A machine can be built that demonstrates this. Arthur S. Eddington (British Astrophysicist, 1882-1944) in The nature of the Physical World
It is also interesting to note that all of this flows from the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which in its simplest form is the following: Heat flows from hot to cold [unless you do work on the system, as does an air conditioner which moves heat from cool to hot]. There are much more sophisticated representations of this, but that's the basic law. Maxwell's Demon seemed to make heat flow from cool to hot without doing any work on the system. It turned out that the inequity is resolved by including the energy potential of the information he needed to seemingly beat the 2nd law.
OK, it's pretty important to define what is meant by "the system". So, let's switch from paper to magnetic media. Changing the polarity of segments on a magnetic tape doesn't change the mass of the tape. And, that's true regardless of what changes are made. It could be the grand unified theory or monkeys choosing letters.
