Stock Market looking at a dark day

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Hurt? I've made quite a tidy sum betting on the MAGA economy. Why should I feel hurt?

    How much money have you made on your investments in the last two years?
     
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    Mrlucky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not so good unless you live in the USA but for those who do, inflation remains at less than 2% while all markets at record highs. Year over year gains of 20%+ for many investors is not unusual. If you are making less on investments than inflation consider talking to a financial advisor.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amen. My investments are crushing it.

    Honestly I really haven't noticed any increase in expenses either.
     
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  4. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Unpossible.

    A very wise financial genius assured me that the market is tanking, the Orange Man is bad, and the MAGA economy is a massive fail.

    @truth and justice? Comment?
     
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  5. truth and justice

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    But this is a thread about DJIA not individual companies and the "average" increase in index over the last 17 months is less than inflation. The average investor has lost real money over the last 17 months (excluding dividends) and taking inflation into account.

    Too many people see shares as easy money. Many people jumped on the band wagon at the peak in Jan 2018 while many corporate investors sold at that point making huge returns at the expense of the Johnny come latelies
     
  6. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    The Johnny late band wagon jumpers were fools for not having faith in Trump back in 2016 like I did.

    How much money have your investments made since 2016?
     
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  7. Mrlucky

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    Most are liking what they see in their accounts. Still, it may be wise to keep a closer than normal eye on investments you have. We have had a nice bull run.
     
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    I made 115% and in Obama time made 976%

    Am I lying? Now back to actual facts which I've already stated above
     
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    Mrlucky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm afraid you are totally misinformed. I have a meeting now but I'll get back to you.
     
  10. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    So you've made money off the MAGA economy? Good for you. Why so bitter? You wanted more? Greedy are we?

    You should thank the Orange Man for making you wealthier.
     
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    One would expect the stock market to rebound from a sell off. Throughout Obama's 8 year term you would have gained 241% based on the DOW alone. In reality, much of that was the rebound to the level high it fell from so in reality, during Obama you only gained 144%.

    Trump has been in office not even four years yet and the gain to date has been 135%.
     
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    135% ? - no, the return is 34% over Trump's presidency. Over Obama's presidency the return was 148%
     
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    You are doing the math wrong. Your 34% over would be 134% and your 148% would be 248%, similar to mine. For instance a gain from 100 to 150 would be 150/100 or 1.5 which equates to 150%.

    I used January of 2009 to January of 2017 for Obama since presidents have little effect right after inauguration.
     
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    100 to 150 is a 50% gain
     
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    It is often expressed that way but mathematically you will still have to add 1 to 50% to make the math work. For instance, to get from 100 to 150 you cannot multiply 100 by 50% to get there.
     
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    No, percentage gains are always based on the starting figure

    Have a look at this link and click on "By President"
    https://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart
     
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    Ok, I have some time now. Want to discuss averages? see charts or what? I can give you exact percentage gains of any of the major markets. Most investors will diversify their portfolios. There are a number of factors involved. Knowing your investment goals is helpful to know. Income vs growth, your risk level, low, moderate, aggressive.
     
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    That is all irrelevant as this thread is about the DJIA. Hence it is about the average investor
     
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    Mrlucky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So your not a serious investor and just want to bitch and moan or what?
    The DOW is only one average and probably not the best indicator right now. From 1/30/17 through 7/05/19 it has increased 33.42%.
     
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    They've been saying that since Nov. 2016.
     
  21. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Not @truth and justice.

    The hindsight only goes back 17 months for some odd reason.
     
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    Absolutely Not true.
    If you choose to pick the worsts possible timeframe looking back 17 months the DOW had a gain of 5.44%, not 1.5%.
    In the past 12 months the DOW has seen a respectable increase of 10.72%.
    As mentioned before however only a fool would invest in only a DOW 500 index fund or ETF. An astute investor would also be invested in the NASDAQ, some international equities along with a mix of mid caps, small caps and for the more risk adverse, bond or bond funds, REITS, etc.
     
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    Don’t ask, he probably invested in Solyndra because the monkey man told him to.
     
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    It's flowing somewhere, that's for sure, but it's not flowing into my pockets.
     
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    Do your homework and watch the market. Put int he time and you will succeed.
     

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