Stop Blaming Climate Change For California’s Fires

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    Number Of Global Wild Fires Trending Down Since 2003. Northern Ocean Heat Content Drops Since 2010
    By P Gosselin on 3. January 2021

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    Dr. Sebastian Lüning recently started his own weekly YouTube videos on climate news in German: Klimaschau.

    Global wild fires on the decline

    In his latest video the veteran geologist looks at wild fires worldwide and the CO2 they emit. He reports that both have been decreasing.


    Citing the results of the European Copernicus satellite atmosphere monitoring service (CAMS), total wildfires globally have fallen steadily, along with their corresponding CO2 emissions:

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    The European agency credits better forest management and prevention practices.

    According to Lüning: “The encouraging global trend to steadily less wild fires contradicts the increasingly alarmist media reporting on individual wildfire catastrophes.”

    Northern Ocean Heat Content falls

    Also later in his Klimaschau, citing data recorded from the University of California in San Diego measurement buoys, Lüning reports the northern ocean (55°N to 65°N) heat content has fallen.

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    The data stem from 4000 ARGO buoys, 0 – 1900 meters depth. The cooling was focused in the North Atlantic. Lüning points out, however, that the overall measured heat content worldwide has risen.

    Impact on Arctic sea ice?

    Though Lüning does not go into what impact this could have on Arctic sea ice, it will certainly contribute to slowing down, if not arresting or even reversing, sea melt in the Arctic.
     
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    You didn't post any evidence to support your assertions.

    LOL
     
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    Climate Scare Story Gets Doused…Global Wildfires Have Declined Since NASA Began Recording Data
    By P Gosselin on 20. February 2021

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    Despite media claims of increasing wildfires across the globe, data show the opposite is in fact the case: wildfires have been trending downwards since NASA started recording data.

    Two days ago Kenneth wrote about how paleoclimatological findings suggested wild fires in Australia and the northwestern US raged with greater frequency and regularity until 500 to 900 years ago, when fire records rapidly declined to the present.

    Next, reader Zoe here added that this has been the case as well in recent history as well.

    Alarmists avoid question: “More fires or less fires?”

    At her site, Zoe writes how alarmist researchers seem obsessed with the length of the fire season, warmer temperatures, greater evaporation etc., yet avoid the question: “Is there more or less fire?”

    So Zoe plotted the data on active fires that NASA has collected daily since 2000. Here’s the result:

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    Global wildfires have been trending downwards so fat this century. Chart: Zoe Phin Data: NASA . . .
     
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    I hope there is a reckoning one day.
     
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    Government lie all over the place these days, they lie about temperature, about CO2 warm forcing power/Temperature increase, lie about Hurricanes, lie about Wildfires, lie about CO2/food production and so on.
     
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    I expect it from government. I don't expect it from scientists.
     
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    I expect it from scientists who works FOR the government.
     
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    This "Hot and dry conditions have no effect on wildfires!" conspiracy thread is _still_ hanging on?

    Wow. Must be slow around here.
     
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    When are you going to offer a counterpoint?
     
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    That's two strawman fallacies in one sentence. Not a record for anti-fossil-fuel hate propagandists by any means, but a good effort.

    The missing bit in your disingenuous nonscience: any evidence whatever that higher CO2 reduces precipitation.
     
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    Okay.

    Hot and dry conditions _do_ have the effect of making wildfires worse.

    You seem to disagree. Why?
     
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    No, he does not seem to disagree. You simply made that up, like the rest of your nonscience. I REPEAT: "the missing bit in your disingenuous nonscience: any evidence whatever that higher CO2 reduces precipitation."
     
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    As usual you bring up zero evidence and ignored several postings in the thread that provided good evidence that CO2 isn't a player in droughts.

    If you were not so lazy you would learn that there is no change in Precipitation trends in the American West:

    From the NOAA

    Precipitation data,

    Southwest Region shows no trend since 2000 LINK

    Northwest Region Shows no trend since 2000 LINK

    West Region Shows no trend since 2000 LINK
     
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    Fact Checking the Wildfire-Climate Link
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    Wildfire physics simply does not support any such fear mongering narratives. Every politician, every environmental group and every scientist trying to scare up more funding by uncritically blaming wildfires on…
     
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    Who'd have thought that higher temps and less rain in the American west are just part of natural cyclical climatic variations that have been happening for millions of years and have nothing to do with fossil fuel consumption or CO2? Everyone possessing a brain.
     
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    You're contradicting your past posts and all your kook pals, who keep saying there are no hotter and dryer condidtions.

    You need to all huddle up and settle on a single talking point. Since you all keep constantly flipflopping the way you do, it makes it clear to everyone that you don't care about the facts. You're just latching on to whatever talking point is convenient for your politics at any given second.
     
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    No, you simply made that up, as usual. It is a pure fabrication on your part. You do that a lot.
    Please quote a climate realist who claims conditions have never been cooler or wetter.

    Of course you can't, because you simply made it up.
    You made that up, too. You seem to like just makin' $#!+ up.
    See? You just make $#!+ up, and are completely shameless about it. Sad.
     
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    Longer, More Frequent Periods of Drought Plague Western United States

    Your article is highly misleading, they also leave out the REST of the country.....

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    Meanwhile other large areas of the country show INCREASE in Precipitation, 1970-2020:

    Northern Rockies and Plains LINK +.20"/decade

    South LINK +.20"/decade

    Northeast LINK +.60"/decade

    Ohio Valley LINK +.85"/decade

    Upper Midwest LINK +.69"/decade

    Southeast LINK +.17"/decade

    That is ALL the rest of the country, all show INCREASE in Precipitation.

    You are so gullible with the media and one their one sided claims.

    :roflol:
     
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