"Stop Hiding Behind the Second Amendment"

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  1. danielpalos

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    "Allowing them"? Are you a True socialist. Making decisions regarding Individual Liberty is a cornerstone of our form of Government.

    Why allow gun lovers to be less responsible with their Arms?
     
  2. JoeSixpack

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    Not making decisions regarding individual liberties, establishing guidelines to eliminate abuse, and fraud.

    The fact that you equate a right with providing someone with a gift of financial aid is very telling.
     
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    Bearing false witness to our own laws is a form of abuse and fraud.

    It isn't a "gift"; it is about equal protection of the law.
     
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    Example? You are speaking in riddles now.

    Welfare is aid, a gift of compassion, and it shouldn't be wasted and/or fraudulently abused. It also isn't required, and it certainly isn't/doesn't have anything to do with equal protection under the law. That is absurd.
     
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    It is that simple. Militias, made up of the whole people, are necessary; therefore the government will guarantee that the PEOPLE have their Right to keep and bear Arms protected by law. Glad we finally got that figured out. Some powers really ARE DEDICATED TO THE PEOPLE.
     
  6. danielpalos

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    Don't understand a bible?

    No; it is no gift; it is a social safety net to correct for Capitalism's inefficiency.
     
  7. JoeSixpack

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    I ask for an example you give me a question?

    Actually you have it backwards. It is a crony capitalist scheme to keep a large portion of the population dependent, non-self sufficient, and non-competitive. The advantage of such a scheme is to keep a large portion of the population, uneducated, misinformed, and therefore easily manipulated. In essence, long live the plutocracy.

    Bleeding hearts do not even understand how much they play onto the scheme, by defending the insanity of dependency, to begin with.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    Yes, whole militia of the United States is treated in our Second Amendment; however, not all of the militia of the United States is well regulated; and, a well regulated militia is declared necessary to the security of a free State. 10USC311
     
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    Why shouldn't I assume you understand the concept of morals?

    That is my point in other threads concerning equal application of the law.
     
  10. JoeSixpack

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    I understand morals, but equal protection of the law doesn't mean this person gets to be a dependent on the tax payer and this person gets to be the tax payer who foots the bill.
     
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    The people were the militia, all able bodied individuals with a gun that they knew how to use. The most powerful volunteer army of the day and still strong. Unless the gun grabber mentality gets their way by misinterpreting the 2nd amendment to oblivion.
     
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    You are appealing to ignorance of the first clause, wherein it claims, well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State; and, not all of the militia of the People is well regulated.
     
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    There was no such thing as a well regulated militia of any kind. The ignorance is yours. Well regulated meant they owned a gun and knew how to use it. There was no 'official' militia in that day, only the citizens called upon to meet the challenge. To assure their own freedom, and maintain/establish their own importance in the equation. The gun grabber mentality is to disregard the individuals right and to assure absolute dominance over the peasants for their own good.
     
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    Where do you come up with this stuff? Hearsay and soothsay is usually just that, a fallacy when taken too seriously.

    Read Article 1, Section 8 of our supreme law of the land, and get back to me; i don't feel any need to argue any appeals to ignorance of the law;

    unless,

    it is a hypothetical, in that alternative.
     
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    Militias are state entities not federal and are made up of every able bodied citizen of that state. It does not say you have to be a member of a well regulated militia in order to have the right to bear arms.
     
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    I am not sure what you mean; the Militia of the United States is federal when federalized.
     
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    A militia in the way you thinking they existed, did not exist.
     
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    Have you read 10USC311? It is federal law. Why complain about less fortunate, illegals.
     
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    You mean the last revised version? I should also point out that Article 1 section 8 says that congress shall have power, but that doesn't mean they exercised it fully or even rationally for the time. At the time of the drafting of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, a political sentiment existed in the newly formed United States involving suspicion of peacetime armies not under civilian control. At any rate there were classes on how to be a member of the militia, there was no one weekend a month, and 4 weeks in the summer, to be properly trained. There were patriots, civilians, who were willing to gather for a call to arms. Many of them were limited/unarmed merchants, who if they target practiced did so a couple times a year.

    This is why the 2nd amendment is written the way it is, because of hindsight, not because there was a trained/armed militia of any true sense of the word, as defined today.
     
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    There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; it is a moral turpitude.
     
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    What the founders was after, without putting a spin on things, is freedom. They was after freedom, in it's entirety.
     
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    ...so you got nothing? Try attending to your own moral compass. It seems to be pointing south. :blankstare:

    YES! And they were not so stupid that they would give up any of their rights because sock puppet politicians (or sheeple of) told them to do as they are told, it was for their own good.
     
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    10USC311; want to litigate it in open court?
     
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    You want to go with the copy from when the constitution was implemented, or are you just going to pretend that it was never revised?
     
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    Agreed. That said, I'm still grateful the NRA is trying to pull off that claim. It won't work and it won't prevent gun ownership from being restricted, but their advocacy has slowed down complete elimination of that right.

    I think the healthiest result is often a balance that occurs from vigorous defense of two fundamentally different perspectives. The competition exposes a lot of stupidity or short cuts that would make their way into law should either perspective act unchallenged.



     

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