Stop Picking On Blacks & Immigrants !!!!

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  1. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

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    White people have ZERO and I mean ZERO responsibility for the rampant fatherless children that have wrecked havoc on the black Community. That is squarely on the shoulders of each and every black parent and leader. Nothing white people have done or are currently doing can convince people to have unprotected sex and then flee on your responsibilities, besides
    maybe the concept of Welfare...knowing white people(mostly) will pick up the check for your stupidity and irresponsibility.
     
  2. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    Your conclusion doesn't make any sense. Just because illegal immigrants are in limbo doesn't mean they must be made citizens. Illegal immigrants must be deported and only law abiding immigrants be given a path to citizenship.
     
  3. rickysdisciple

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    There's a big difference, but I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. I don't want illegals from any countries here, and I don't even want very much legal immigration.

    I'm nowhere near as concerned about racism as you are, but we agree on being able to control our borders.
     
  4. Johnny-C

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    And no, I didn't make that claim; so what are YOU talking about here?
     
  5. garyd

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    There's plenty of gun control threads let save that discussion for them. Understand something here complaints about illegal immigration are a symptom of a crappy economy. So why are we no longer able to absorb all these immigrants illegal and otherwise?
     
  6. Johnny-C

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    Yeah, let's do that America. Seriously, a proper idea.
     
  7. Professor Peabody

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    only one's saying that garbage are the democrats..maybe they should wake up and join the 21st century
     
  9. Professor Peabody

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    Those immigrants came here legally, they had to have a sponsor who would be financially responsible and a job pledge waiting for them. Then they has to enter through Ellis or Terminal Island and be health screened. Where is that happening with the illegals? We don't need immigration reform, we need immigration enforcement reform. A good start would be 1) If they overstay their visa, they are barred from citizenship and legal permanent residence status forever. 2) If they are caught here illegally, they are barred from citizenship and legal permanent residence status forever. 3) If they are caught in the U.S. again it's 5 years in prison.
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    Look... we have immigrants with families here NOW. We are NOT EVER going to ship them all out and it's BEST for all... if we don't leave otherwise good people lingering in the shadows. And you can bet, that many who came here even generations ago, didn't all come here above board as you suggest. Even so, we should work toward making people CITIZENS who are willing to be the same.
     
  11. rayznack

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    Thanks for the correction if I misrepresented your views.

    Why should the American government give the segment of illegal immigrants who broke into this country by illegally entering be given a pathway for citizenship?

    I've known many Asian immigrants spending 10's of thousands on tuition just to legally reside in the US; they are not citizens or permanent residents.

    How is giving illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship fair to the immigrants living here legally?

    What does it say of the illegals who broke into this country to live here?
     
  12. rayznack

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    I don't see a reason why the US must do anything beyond sending them back home. Those people broke into a country. They used our leniency to their advantage to start families and live here for as long as they have.

    Our country is great enough to attract immigrants from around the world because we have the laws in place these illegals are violating for their own gain. I could care less about the illegals, and I fully support their expulsion from our nation.
     
  13. Professor Peabody

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    No real need to deport. What makes more sense is to make eVerify mandatory for employment and ALL government benefits. Then take away their ability to keep legitimate jobs with phony, underage or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate, non issued or under age users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time. Then move on to the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number filers, requiring them to provide their valid visa's allowing them to remain legally in the country, no proof, NO REFUND. Compile a list of those failing to provide the valid visa's and investigate if they are in the county legally, if not deport them.

    It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process and aren't entitled to benefits that should be going to out of work American Citizens. No work, no benefits and they will leave on their own.
     
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    That is absolutely true, but the economy didn't set the deportation record, or create the tightest border security in American history
     
  15. Johnny-C

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    Why can't we? We've done it before... on a case-by-case basis. My primary reason for promoting that very thing, is because we won't do better trying to kick 11 million people out of this nation. It will ultimately be better if we include those individuals and FAMILIES who are essentially "Americans", all in one manner except legal status.

    Provide the same pathway on a case-by-case basis. Welcome these people IN and give them a stake in the American dream. The thought that most of these people will not contribute, doesn't make sense to me.

    I'm taking about what's "feasible"; we aren't going to find or affect all of the immigrants here illegally; better if we can show them a way IN. That would be both helpful economically and socially. Relegating them to being perpetual outcasts doesn't make sense... nor does the notion that we can find/deport 'millions' of people hiding out.

    Indeed we can enforce our borders, but we also need to deal with those who are already here... and we'll likely not 'find' or kick them out. That is reality.
     
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    Assess each case; provide a path to citizenship. That's the best way to go overall.
     
  17. Professor Peabody

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    That has been debunked, just look at all the unaccompanied children that crossed along with adolescent gang members. Surely you remember the protests.
     
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    Completely unnecessary and totally unfair to those who have waited and done things the right way. Cheaters should have to go to the end of the line.

    Let's say you take your son to the opening of the latest greatest cartoon action hero movie. You get there early to make sure you get a seat and stand in line. A few minutes before the box office opens a large group of people (10 to 15) show up. As the box office opens they get rowdy and push their way into line a few people in front of you. The manager does nothing and the box offices close before your son get in. What do you do? What do you tell your son?
     
  19. Johnny-C

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    Well, few to none of us will agree upon the specifics; that's always going to be 'contentious'.

    Even so... we need to garner some solid policies and apply them. Too much bickering about MANY things, has led this nation to being worse off than if we went ahead with somewhat 'imperfect' solutions (which just about ANY solution tends to be).
     
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    Funny how when anti-illegal immigrant rallies show up, it's mostly just hordes of brown skinned Latinos who show up to counter it, like it's their right to be here.

    Sure, there's some illegal Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipinos, Polish, Irish, and Russians etc. but they generally don't come out to counter illegal immigration.

    How come?

    It seems many Latinos hold illegal immigration like a badge of honor, while many other groups are embarrassed by it.
     
  21. Ritter

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    Get rid off the welfare state and you'll get rid of immigrants and food stamp--collectors. :D

    Simple as that.
     
  22. TCassa89

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    No it hasn't.. it's not an opinion, we really do have more border agents on the border than any other time in our history, and we really have deported (formal removals) more immigrants the past 7 years than at any other point in our history. More than this, the estimated count of illegal immigrants living in the US is smaller now than it was in 2008
     
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    Blacks taking all the jobs? well that's a new one. lol

    I live by plenty of blacks, lived in black neighborhoods and I can tell you these stereotypes are EXTREMELY accurate...

    Funny how you wouldn't say a damn thing if I said most blacks are better than most whites at basketball but if I said most blacks are on foodstamps you go bat(*)(*)(*)(*)...

    What you need to do is get off your "im so progressive" superiority high horse and subscribe to reality not your ideal fantasy utopia.
     
  24. Daniel Light

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    Well, I live in a large metro area and see thousands of black Americans working in hospitals as doctors and nurses, filling positions in hotels, airports, cruise lines ... just
    like any other race of Americans - so I'm going to call BS on your biased post.
     
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    I see blacks out and about working as professionals too..... But I also see other blacks destroying their neighborhoods, gangbanging robbing stores at an unusual rate...

    The notion that you're just as safe in a black ghetto as you would be in a white lower class area is a myth.... Hell, if whites were blowing one another away at record numbers the media would be all over it because the media loves to demonize white people.
     
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