Stop talking right now about the threat of climate change. Its here; its happening

For the sake of keeping things manageable, let’s confine the discussion to a single continent and a single week: North America over the last seven days.

In Houston they got down to the hard and unromantic work of recovery from what economists announced was probably the most expensive storm in US history, and which weather analysts confirmed was certainly the greatest rainfall event ever measured in the country – across much of its spread it was a once-in-25,000-years storm, meaning 12 times past the birth of Christ; in isolated spots it was a once-in-500,000-years storm, which means back when we lived in trees.

Meanwhile, San Francisco not only beat its all-time high temperature record, it crushed it by 3F, which should be pretty much statistically impossible in a place with 150 years (that’s 55,000 days) of record-keeping.

That same hot weather broke records up and down the west coast, except in those places where a pall of smoke from immense forest fires kept the sun shaded – after a forest fire somehow managed to jump the mighty Columbia river from Oregon into Washington, residents of the Pacific Northwest reported that the ash was falling so thickly from the skies that it reminded them of the day Mount St Helens erupted in 1980.

That same heat, just a little farther inland, was causing a “flash drought” across the country’s wheat belt of North Dakota and Montana – the evaporation from record temperatures had shrivelled grain on the stalk to the point where some farmers weren’t bothering to harvest at all.

In the Atlantic, of course, Irma was barreling across the islands of the Caribbean (“It’s like someone with a lawnmower from the sky has gone over the island,” said one astounded resident of St Maarten). The storm, the first category five to hit Cuba in a hundred years, is currently battering the west coast of Florida after setting a record for the lowest barometric pressure ever measured in the Keys, and could easily break the 10-day-old record for economic catastrophe set by Harvey; it’s definitely changed the psychology of life in Florida for decades to come.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...climate-change-hurricane-harvey-irma-droughts

 

Your thread is about weather, not climate change, not even the NOAA or the IPCC connect weather events to climate change and there is no trend in global cyclone energy or droughts. Trying to do such a thing is a major FAIL.

 

You have bought into all the hype. It's just another hurricane and is only expensive because every year there's more buildings and more infrastructure so of course hurricanes are more expensive.

 

FACT: With higher air and water temperatures, hurricanes have more energy. FACT: With a longer summer dry season, conditions which lead to wildfires increase; and droughts increase.

Yes, it's weather, but the warmer conditions increase probabilities of these occurrences. Right now the climate change is at 1.2 deg F. These probabilities of severe weather will get worse and worse.

 

Just SMFH


More nonsense from the 137 year old earthers..

 

Yet Irma developed over relatively cool Atlantic waters. Go figure.

You have fallen for the alarmist pap. The NOAA claims, based on models, that this won't even be discernible for 80 years. We have had cat 5 hurricanes in the past. Are you suggesting someone is using a Delorian?

 

Do you just pull this information out of your ***. The Atlantic Ocean temperature was warmer than normal.

Surface temperatures in the eastern half of the tropical Atlantic Ocean were between 0.5°C and 1°C above average this summer, as the NOAA maps below of the sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies from mid-July to early September show.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...-climate-change-warm-atlantic-ocean-questions

 

Gosh, Sabrina must be an expert. Better send her over to the NOAA and IPCC so she can correct them.

Here is the essence of her article. When we don't have storms it's just luck, when we do it is catastrophic climate change.

 

threat of climate change. Its here; its happening

Always has been; always will be - that's 'nature' for yer?

 

Here is an expert even the left have linked to.

Philip J. Klotzbach and Christopher W. Landsea in Journal of Climate, October 2015. Abstract…

“Ten years ago, Webster et al. documented a large and significant increase in both the number as well as the percentage of category 4 and 5 hurricanes for all global basins from 1970 to 2004, and this manuscript examines whether those trends have continued when including 10 additional years of data.

“In contrast to that study, as shown here, the global frequency of category 4 and 5 hurricanes has shown a small, insignificant downward trend while the percentage of category 4 and 5 hurricanes has shown a small, insignificant upward trend between 1990 and 2014. Accumulated cyclone energy globally has experienced a large and significant downward trend during the same period.

“The primary reason for the increase in category 4 and 5 hurricanes noted in observational datasets from 1970 to 2004 by Webster et al. is concluded to be due to observational improvements at the various global tropical cyclone warning centers, primarily in the first two decades of that study.”

 

Perhaps you should provide a link from the NOAA and/or the IPCC, so we all know that you are NOT pulling the info out of your ***.

 

Your lack of knowledge isn't my problem.

 

That's predicted but not observed.

Climate change at 1.2 deg F ?? What year is that referenced to ?? It's been warming since the end of the Little Ice Age in the mid 1800's. And it was warmer in the Medieval Warm Period ~ 1000 years ago.

How much have the predicted probabilities increased ??

 

Since 1980...
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

 

True, but remember that this has become a substitution for religion for leftist BELIEVERS and so everything amounts to proof in their eyes since essentially they are operating on conjoined Faith and Ignorance.

 

Correct. I live in Houston and in my way I am involved in the recovery efforts. It was a typical hurricane system that happened to stall out and then meander slowly up the coast line. That was all there was too it. Had things been just a trifle different in high and low pressure systems then it would have swiftly roared over Corpus Christi and the San Antonio -- doing only nominal damage along the way -- and then have been forgotten. But instead it stalled and then meandered. That is NOT Climate Change. These leftists need to go back to school and this time around dig the radical leftist professor's ideologically-based crudola out of their ears and then . . . think.

 

That is true. They even have the Pope on their side.

 

Can you explain what the hurricane season would be like if not for the man made portion of climate change?

 

Same as it was in 1900 when one killed 8,000.

 

That article is a great example of "how to lie with statistics." Notice that the warming rate from 1910 to 1945 is the "same" as the warming rate from 1960 to the present.

 

That depends on what data instills the most confidence, based on the technology of the time. Publications all mention possible anomalies for older data. That's why I reference 1980 and later. I did not draw any conclusions for prior data, of which there were fewer sampling locations, and less-advanced technology. You did that.

 

The data from the current decades are what has been manipulated by Dr. Karl et. al. In all cases the most recent decadal temperatures have been adjusted up and the less recent decadal temperatures adjusted down to create a falsely greater rate of warming. But we've been through this before. Wise up.

 

Oh right - the Climate Change conspiracy? Be real! Look at the list of authors, reviewers and experts that were involved in the National Climate Assessment of 2014. All conspirators against Mr. AFM?

The National Climate Assessment summarizes the impacts of climate change on the United States, now and in the future. A team of more than 300 experts guided by a 60-member Federal Advisory Committee produced the report, which was extensively reviewed by the public and experts, including federal agencies and a panel of the National Academy of Sciences.

http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/highlights/overview/overview

 

Funny stuff. Confronted with actual facts and history the knee jerk conspiracy theory explanation is used to justify not doing the homework. You forgot the BIG OIL corporations funding the conspiracy and the belief that governments have no interest in promoting global warming alarmism.

Also the refusal to acknowledge that global warming is beneficial for the next 3 deg C. The economics turns negative due to increased air conditioning costs ~ 300 years from now based on existing technology. Judging by the fact that horses were the main form of transport 100 years ago it is obvious that humans will have developed less expensive ways to cool environments 300 years from now.

 

I just posted the article for science sake and it made good points, but personally I couldn't give a crap if people believe in climate change or not. If it was up to me, I'd put every single Climate Denier Home and family on the East and Golf coast, after all, what could possibly go wrong?