Discussion in '9/11' started by FivepointFive, Dec 26, 2018.
He is still around.
I am on the Lee Harvey Oswald had help side of 9/11
It's pretty clear that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon. All of the plane parts found there were plantable and none can be linked to flight 77.
In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft — and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.
There are plausible scenarios that explain the DNA evidence. One of them is explained here.
Painful Deceptions 911 Documentary by Eric Hufschmid Full Version
(43:45 time mark)
Here's a picture of what a 767 did to metal support beams on the side of one of the towers.
Here's some evidence that the official story is a lie.
Be sure to check out what's said in part 6 starting at the 5:10 time mark.
Here's more on that.
The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed Part 2
(41:50 time mark)
Check out what's said at the bottom of this page.
Here's a person who was there who says there wasn't a plane.
April Gallup - Was there a bomb in the Pentagon?
The light poles could have easily been staged in advance.
Witnesses say conflicting things so it's plausible that those who say they saw a 757 hit the Pentagon were plants as if a 757 had hit the Pentagon, almost all of them would say so.
I used to build Unmanned Aircraft.. we crashed the hell out of them./. There was no plane crash from every image I can remember seeing
And there is this: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
AA77 did not strike the pentagon.
Here's a picture of the Pentagon before the collapse.
The damage doesn't seem consistent with the damage to the side of the tower.
The Pentagon is a reinforced military building designed to withstand major attacks. What possible reason would there be to compare the impacts?
That side of the pentagon had reinforcement just finished. The impact was clearly consistent with an airliner. The conspiracy theorist are nuts.
To try to figure out what happened of course. It may turn out to be explainable but there's no harm in looking at it and discussing it.
If the wings couldn't penetrate the Pentagon wall, shouldn't there be some sign of the aluminum outside the wall? Maybe there's an explanation. I'm just asking. I'm just a layman. Can aluminum burn and disappear?
there was plenty of signs of aluminum outside the wall ... but you refuse to look at the evidence and instead rely on ridiculous troofer vids which I have disproved ... when are you going to watch the Coste vids Scott? ... Wayne Coste is a troofer so I thought you would be all over it ...
I know you have a very short attention span due to your caffeine intake so perhaps you could take a peek at chapter 12 ... I have posted this for you before ... why have you not responded? ...
General Stubblebine is better at interpreting photographic evidence than you are.
Anybody that has examined aircraft accidents knows that no airliner crashed there.
The Flight Data Recorder provided years later by the government was a hoax, like everything else about this absurd story. The FDR was not assigned to any airframe. That is a major clue of fraud.
LOL, sure thing.
LOL is certainly in order.
Read it and weep: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
This is the analysis from a man in the business.
Was he invited to testify at 911 Commission? Hell no!
You've been deceived as we all were. Some of us now realize it, some of us don't.
True believers will never be swayed by facts. That is the fate of conspiracy theorists.
Better to be a conspiracy theorist than to be a believer in the Official Conspiracy Theory 17 years after the initial deception.
And the conspiracy theorists are still at it 17 years later. Sad.
C'mon Hoosier, you are a reasonable man, as I've read many excellent posts of yours.
Here, you have convinced yourself that a bogus FDR report means nothing. That's embarrassing, and a sign that I have misjudged you.
Read the section regarding the FDR...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/Calibration of altimeter_92.pdf
Great now if only the physical FDR contained a serial number (or some other definitive identifier), it might be possible to physically match it to AA77. And if the forensic examination by the NTSB determined it was authentic and not tampered with that would help too. But there is none of that that I'm aware of. It would also be extremely helpful if there was some incontrovertible evidence that identified who or what piloted that claimed plane.
(when you get a chance, read the response I wrote to your "garbage" claim and see if you can identify if and where you believe there are any errors. I would appreciate it and I will definitely correct anything that is truly an error. Thanks Gamo.)
How can ANYONE identify any errors when the numbers and calculations needed to determine if the claims are valid are not available? Is it because Roland Angle said so?
Produce the finalized/finished calculations used to make those claims, otherwise those claims ARE nothing but faith based.
Addressed in the post(s).
Also addressed in the post(s).
Also addressed in the post(s).
Ok so there are no errors then, I didn't find any either.
Bobby, are all the models and calculations included in the posts that show all these conclusions where arrived at? Yes or no?
It doesn't contain an identifier connecting it to AA77. That's the point observed by Cimino right off the bat. The unit was not assigned to any airframe at all, none. For someone in the business that is as plain as the nose on your face.
Close inspection revealed many more errors and inconsistencies, but right off the bat the unit was not assigned to an airframe.
All are addressed in the post(s). Please keep the discussion (if you actually want to discuss these findings in the proper thread). By your failure to answer whether any are correct or incorrect (along with any explanation why you believe either way) I have to assume you're either deliberately ignoring these 11 findings or you find them all correct but you're afraid to admit it.
I know, the allegedly recovered FDRs/CVRs are nonstandard and that strongly points to counterfeiting.
Albert Stubblebine wasnt even in Washington DC at the time of the attacks, his opinion can be dismissed.
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