Students Love Green New Deal... Until Hearing What's In It (the Elephant in the room)

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  1. Observing

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    There are no plans in the paper at all. To me it is a set of goals that they believe the country should undertake faster than what they now plan to do. I can't see why people are getting all their panties in a bunch about.

    I don't understand why people just can't discuss it with out saying "in ten years you can't drive your gasoline car " instead of in ten years you would be driving a electric car.
     
  2. Jonsa

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    False equivalency. A fixation it seems. Course it escapes you that you are President to a rookie congressperson. Ya think one is slightly more powerful than the other? One would think trump's constant lies might have a gigantically greater impact on the nation and the planet than AOC's occasional crazy positions or fact checked piece of nonsense. That is everywhere except Trumpland, that is.
     
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    there is no deal, it's just the start of an idea... duh... a starting place to talk
     
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  4. reallybigjohnson

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    Hypocrite. You have no credibility.
     
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    he said without a shred of irony or awareness.
     
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    Wrong. I am perfectly capable of saying that both Trump and AOC are narcissists and serial liars. There are people fawning over AOC and all of her lies and fabrications constantly excusing her for doing the same exact thing that Trump does but boy if Trump does it its super awful. Supporters of AOC have no ****ing credibility if they complain about Trump but give her a pass. Those hypocrites can go **** themselves.
     
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    Kennedy fought communism and this is that
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perfect emotional based false equivalency dismissal. I've noticed trumpettes seemed rather skilled at it.
     
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    Seems you are an expert at emotional out bursts. Can't argue a fact to save your life.
     
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    No, Brandolini informs.

    Treating factless partisan bullshit presented within a framework of logical fallacy and presumptive attributions of motivation/behavior to others as if it is in anyway informative or compelling is a waste of energy. Calling it out on the other hand is not only efficient, it too informs.
     
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    You keep throwing out that phrase, undoubtedly you read it on a blog or email talking point. AOC has had numerous lies and fabrications not only just about the "New Green Deal" but about many of her facts pertaining to spending and taxes. Do you defend AOC's lies?
     
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    No it's not
     
  13. Jonsa

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    Of course not. She definitely does shovel populist partisan bullshit. But its hardly on the scale of your dear leader. At least she is amenable to actually being corrected for her rhetorical over the top nonsense and will actually accept facts.

    You can't excuse trump because of other people's actions. But I get how important "emotional" equivalency as both a deflection and excuse is to trumpettes.
     
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    I don't excuse him. Jesus ****ing Christ do you even know how to read. How many times do I have to say that Trump and AOC are exactly the same type of narcissistic, lime light seeking, liars. THEY ARE BOTH THE ****ING SAME TYPE OF PERSONALITY!
     
  15. Sahba*

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    I'm more interested in the "psychosis" that's going on here, lol.

    There is definitely a reason to have a "rubber room" where the Mods just simply let "real discussion", as impolite and 'raw' as it might be --- To Flow!
     
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    Given how I see them as dramatically different personalities with vastly different motivations, abilities and skills, I once again find myself rejecting your attempt at equivalency.
     
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    Wrong you are a hypocrite and you can't escape it. They are both megalomaniacs. I support some of Trump's policies such as putting China's feet to the fire about their constant theft and cheating. Unfortunately I am stuck with him so I have to defend him politically because what China does every year far outweighs any foibles Trump has by a large margin, I won't ever defend him as a person though.

    People like you can easily support AOC's agenda and also NOT defend her politically since she is a new member and there are tons of other Democrats to choose from. You can support another candidate who isn't a megalomaniac. Do you actually think that she came up with the New Green Deal? LOL Those ideas have been floated around for years many of them by Bernie Sanders. She is just repackaging them and people like you think she is brilliant. You are a corporate advertisers dream consumer. You never look past the shiny surface.

    For **** sake you lefties were constantly touting that the reason Trump rose to popularity was because people were attracted to personalities like Trump ie HITLER. Remember that one? Here you are doing the exact same ****ing thing and yet you complain about Trump supporters and you are literally no different than them at all. You are a hypocrite.

    I am superior to you because I don't fall for the packaging or the personality. I look at the actions taken and the results achieved.
     
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    Well I do admit you are superior in the strawman bullshit department than I am. Can't say all that much for your judgement or value algorithms, either.
     
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    Thank you for admitting that I am superior.
     
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    I'm a little surprised that the GND has gotten so popular among 2020 candidates. Here are the biggest problem with it:
    1. It mixes liberal economic policy proposals with climate change proposals when these two should be kept separate.
    2. It is extremely expensive for a nation to replace its entire energy infrastructure especially for a country running massive deficits already.
    3. It demands technological and infrustructure change in a small 10-year window that is simply impractical.
    4. The carbon taxes aren't offset with reduction of other taxes to balance things out.
    5. The US is only a small part of the global CO2 output, and reforming our CO2 has little impact globally. Its best to just follow the Paris climate agreement if other countries are following it too, and then make a more ambitious agreement globally.
     
  21. Sahba*

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    As I see it, it's all about desensitizing the populace with the radical tenets of Globalism. The 2020 candidates (largely) are only going to be 'for it' prior to the primaries. During the primaries & looking forward to the "general" they already know how much against the specifics of the GND they'll be, (especially based on the state demographic they are appealing to at the moment) lol!
     
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    Obviously the elimination of flights by using high speed rail would only be within the continental USA.We are way behind the rest of the industrialized world when it comes to public transportation and for that matter highways,ports,airports,sewer systems and in fact infrastructure at every level.
     
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    It must have been another thread where I mentioned Bovine flatulence as a major issue for AOC's GND, along those lines Carpe Donktum illustrates it this way...
     
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    You are arguing that an elephant and a mouse are mammals and therefore the same thing. Don't buy that kind of wild arse generalization as a serious argument.

    SEcondly, she isn't a candidate for President. She is not constitutionally qualified to run.

    Third, don't care if the "ideas" in her New Deal are not original to her and have been kicking around for a while. That tends to happens when evidence based creative problem solving skills are applied to some of the biggest challenges and issues of the day. And the Green deal is not detailed policy its a statement of policy direction and intent. Can't wave any magic wand and manifest it, you know, like say... a wall.


    You keep insisting on declaring superiority, or whatever notion you have of it, based on your own wild arsed strawman of what I know and how I go about knowing it. Seems rather needy, but I've been told that auto emotional reinforcement can be quite therapeutic for some.
     
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    Older folks are just as ignorant. Just look at this forum and all the unsourced "facts" that are thrown around.
     
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