Studies supporting Ivermectin are flawed/fake and even retracted

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/7-studies-ivermectin-fans-cite-144410881.html

    Interesting article about the flaws in the 7 main studies quoted by proponents of Ivermectin to treat/prevent Covid-19.

    This article talks about the flawed papers that seem to support Ivermectin (including, a paper being retracted due to fakery), and points to one well-designed randomized controlled trial with preliminary results that do not support ivermectin. Not quoted by this article, there's been other RCTs that have concluded and also do not support the idea that ivermectin can treat or prevent Covid-19.

    It's interesting how the studies that say it is helpful are incredibly flawed or just plain fake (see for example the copy-and-paste fake data in one of the tables shown by the above link; also, one of the studies claims that it was done in a hospital whose administrators said it never happened) while the serious studies with sound methodology keep showing no efficacy.

    Now that we have effective monoclonal antibody cocktails and we are about to get effective antivirals such as molnupiravir (and two other promising antivirals undergoing phase III) it makes even less sense to try a medication that has performed poorly in randomized controlled trials.
     
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    More pharma propaganda and psychobabble. :no:
     
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    This was another case of “it worked in vitro but not in vivo”. Early laboratory studies did hold out some hope but the question was always “Is the therapeutic level too close to the toxic level”
     
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    Exactly. The cemetery of pharmaceuticals in the history of Medicine is full of promising drugs in vitro that didn't pay off when they were tried in vivo. Like I usually say, activity in vitro and in vivo are vastly different. A live organism is way more complex than a cell culture, and concentrations of the drug in vitro often can't be achieved in vivo without unacceptable toxicity.

    In vitro studies are good for hypothesis generation, but that's about it.
     
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    Reminds us that the Pfizer and Moderna versions of the jab seem to have the same issues. Hence all of the "breakthrough" cases filling up the data.
     
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    Got evidence??
     
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    Nobody cares what CNN told you to think
     
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    LOL, too funny! This crazy nut is the doctor that the anti-vaxxers picked to be their champion!
    This doctor probably suffers from diagnosable psychosis.
     
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    Ahhhhh! World Nut Daily!!! Since when were they a valid source for anything but wing nut conspiracy? AND it is quoting from one of the “disinformation dozen” SKA lifesitenews I could do an analysis of the so called trial but I would be wasting my time given the source
     
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    When the debate has been lost, slander and ad hom attacks become the tools of the loser. And of course censorship.
     
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    Hear, hear, the amazing story of fake research regarding Ivermectin. Amazing.

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/d21d3ae2-ca67-3ba8-9696-330c0a90ffd5/‘you-will-not-believe-what.html

    Incredible.

    The article has other examples of fake research that created the Ivermectin craze.
     
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    It's no surprise. The push for Ivermectin was more about choosing something mainstream science and media rejected than it was based on fact and results. Granted, the early results were inconclusive in either direction, but the pro-Ivermectin folks pushed their narrative based on quite a bit of unverifiable anecdotal evidence.

    It was largely an embodiment of that age old stupid idea that if the other side is saying you should or shouldn't do something, that must mean the opposite is true. Well, maybe occasionally, but more often it's probably because that thing is the wrong thing. Hopefully there weren't too many folks loading themselves up on toxic doses of this medicine thinking that because their alternative media told them that Fauci didn't want you to do it that it was actually the right thing to do.

    Contrarianism always makes for great medical advice don't ya think.
     
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    Some will believe anything.
     
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    I watched someone who seemed deathly ill get better over night with that stuff so I don’t really care what a study says, it definitely worked for him.
     
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    Prob had worms.
     
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    Lol… Who knows but he had all the symptoms of COVID and it literally got better over night. I’m vaccinated so I advised him to see a doctor. But he made his mind up on this stuff and as crazy as I thought he was, it still worked
     
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    We have double blind studies because they are usually reliable.

    One offs are not.
     

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