Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

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  1. AFM

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    Another person who does not understand scientific proof via the scientific method. Sad.
     
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    I had a Christmas Cactus that was sick once, for some reason I decided to put some Alka-Seltzer in a glass of water and give it to the plant, it worked. Sorry, I did not have a test tube.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Your first paragraph is a great example of confirmation bias.
     
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    Because they have no EPA, no safety standards, no unions and their minimum wage is between $2 and $3 a day, while US foundry workers are paid about $25 an hour.
    No US company can compete, as they have many many cost associated with running a foundry safely, so they rely on poor countries like India to make the castings cheaply.
    New York could have had them made at any of the many foundries in the US but chose India, not on the quality of their product but simply on price.
    What part of "making a profit overrides everything else" don't you understand?
    And India is being used as the dumping ground for old ships because of cheap labor and no safety standards or pollution control. Check out the video and then you will know what I'm talking about.
     
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    How much of a fool do you expect us to mark you as? The whole point of computer modeling is that they are always based on assumptions, maintain bias, and frankly are about useless when it comes to outputting actual reliable information. Sure, they're expensive, require huge investments for those doing the work, and it requires oh so much money to continue to support all that. But, at the end of the day, you're still left with model calculations that are as fragile as the guessed data the is fed into them, and the biases they contain about variable constancies, etc. We know all this, how is it that you don't?
     
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    Which is why none of what you post is actually credible.
     
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    Who claims the Climate does not exist? Who claims the Climate does not change..

    You really need to work on your analogies.. Or just scream denier up to you.
     
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    That's a fun list of complaints.

    And the NASA just released a peer reviewed study to confirm that the models are largely accurate.
     
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    Alright lady.
     
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    The peers reviewing it had access to all the data to re-run the experiments?
     
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    Uh...yea, I just exposed why your analogy failed.

    And no one is claiming that Climate does not exist nor is anyone claiming that Climate is static. But the point I made in attempting to dispute your analogy is that the notion of AGW is accused of being a hoax would be akin to people claiming that black holes do not exist. There is an overwhelming amount of data and scientific consensus on AGW. Now, there are plenty of disputes to be had on the fringes like the degree of warming or the amount of influence that humans are likely to have (and that would be where I could accept a comparison to new revelations about the formations of black holes), but denying the existence of AGW is - at this point - nonsense.
     
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    You can ask one of the authors. He answered a bunch of questions on reddit (link contained in the OP) and if the answer to that question is not there, I am sure that you could send him a PM and get a response.
     
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    The truly funny thing about what you just wrote is that it is so devoid of actual understanding of what you actually read was. If models are "accurate" that is a standard that frankly doesn't mean anything except to if calculations made within the model are reasonable given their inputs, and frankly has ZERO real world efficacy. Which is why, actual collection stations are still showing that there is little if any temperature growth. Which, frankly undercuts the outputs of the models that you believe are being "confirmed".. It's kind of sad, really. This much devotion must come at a hefty price tag....
     
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    I have to verify scientific method was used???
     
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    I can point to many times "consensus" ended up being wrong but this nonsense has become a religion so i dont see the point in discussing it anymore.
     
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    No, you wanted to know if the peer reviewers were able to access the underlying data. I don't know how to answer that question except to note that you can ask the author.
     
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    Out of a curiosity, do some of those instances of "consensus being wrong" - do they come from hundreds of years ago?
     
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    Feel free to take up your criticisms with NASA directly.

    Multiple independently produced instrumental datasets confirm that the 2009–2018 decade was 0.93 ± 0.07 °C warmer than the pre-industrial baseline (1850–1900). Currently, surface temperatures are rising by about 0.2 °C per decade.

    What makes you believe that the trend is going to stop or reverse?
     
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    A lot of the same people also believed in the Russian Hoax.
     
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    Nope and why would that matter... The claim is the "consensus" proves its correct and anyone else is a "denier" or " doesnt understand science".
     
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    The common example that I have seen on this thread is that the consensus used to be that the Sun revolved around the Earth.

    And if that were one of your examples, it would matter that you would effectively be using the opinions of individuals from hundreds of years ago as a justification for dismissing the conclusions of scientists today.
     
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    No that is not what i was going to link to but you will ignore it anyways... Wait did Science just become opinion?

    Dear god you are all over the place.
     
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    They aren't here shilling for themselves, but you are. Why? And just for grins, so what? Are you suggesting that everyone should still be freezing to death? Your understanding of what these measures mean is astoundingly fragile.
     

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