Study finds that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. Just the same reason Venus is hot and earth is just right.
    But on earth it's +33K, despite having 15x less CO2. That shows CO2 is not a major driver of temperature.
     
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    Something else? But according to AGW screamers, there isn't anything else!
    Wrong. If CO2 played a significant role in driving temperature, we would have seen spikes in temperature in the decades after major volcanic eruptions once the particulates have washed out. No such spikes are observed in the climate record.
     
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    It's not an assumption. It's proved by the climate record.
    It is fact.
    I have made no basic error, and I studied science, including planetary and atmospheric physics, at an internationally respected university.
    Because temperature drives CO2, as explained.
    No, that's just baldly false, like claiming that the phase of the moon couldn't control the tide if the tide had little effect on the phase of the moon.
    No, that is just a bald fabrication on your part.
    No, I am objectively correct.
    No, there is no credible evidence that it leads. In particular, supervolcanoes that release large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere have not been followed by warming episodes in the decades after the particulates are washed out of the atmosphere but CO2 is still elevated.
    No, that is just another bald falsehood from you. It is the positive ice-albedo feedback that takes over as the primary driver, as proved by the fact that ice-albedo warming is naturally limited by the reduced effect of sunlight at high latitudes, while the hypothesized CO2 feedback is not limited. Warming stops quite suddenly when the ice has retreated to high latitudes, but there is no plausible mechanism that would stop a hypothesized CO2 feedback effect from warming the earth even more.
    Garbage disproved above.
     
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    If you knew the math, it does, it shows that the genotype two individuals can produce when crossed is always combinations of allele existing in the individuals and never an acquired additional one, no new species.

    The interactive program I posted allows anyone to see that.

    Your sources:

    "Venter said his team had not created life.

    "We created a new cell. It's alive. But we didn't create life from scratch," he said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/22/vatican.synthetic.cell/index.html

    American-born biochemist-geneticist J. Craig Venter is acknowledged, along with geneticist Francis Sellers Collins (1950-), as being a primary force behind the Human Genome Project.

    Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950) is an American physician-geneticist who discovered the genes associated with a number of diseases and led the Human Genome Project"
    and he is a Christian Creationist.

    So everything I stated in my post you quoted stands as true:

    And a Creationist (who likes to evoke science) can say, - all experiments and observations demonstrate that life can appear only in presence of life and new species do not appear out of old ones, and even laws of genetics clearly state that new species cannot appear out of old ones and even post a link for everyone to see http://scienceprimer.com/punnett-square-calculator ….


    Clearly beliefs of such a Creationist are more in line with hundreds years of experiments, while yours are in direct contradiction to hundred years of thousands of experiments and observations, but your beliefs are not only taught as a state religion, like scientific communism and scientific atheism were taught in the USSR but also but also they are taught as science.


    And that is very wrong and extremely dangerous for both American liberties and natural sciences, more dangerous than Muslim jihad.


    And the fact is that no experiment had been even attempted to be conducted to demonstrate that CO2 absorbs more heat from the Sun during the day than it emits to the infinite dead cold universe during the nights before a full swing hysteria claiming such an effect to exist and no such experiment has ever been even attempted to be conducted, but you will die fighting tooth and nail for the cult of GW and CC.


    I told you that because of teaching of your beliefs instead of science in schools and colleges you cannot have any tools or knowledge to distinguish between science and religion or a set of personal beliefs.


    Don’t even try.
     
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    If you knew the math, it does, it shows that the genotype two individuals can produce when crossed is always combinations of allele existing in the individuals and never an acquired additional one, no new species.

    The interactive program I posted allows anyone to see that.

    Your sources:

    "Venter said his team had not created life.

    "We created a new cell. It's alive. But we didn't create life from scratch," he said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/22/vatican.synthetic.cell/index.html

    American-born biochemist-geneticist J. Craig Venter is acknowledged, along with geneticist Francis Sellers Collins (1950-), as being a primary force behind the Human Genome Project.

    Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950) is an American physician-geneticist who discovered the genes associated with a number of diseases and led the Human Genome Project"
    and he is a Christian Creationist.

    So everything I stated in my post you quoted stands as true:

    And a Creationist (who likes to evoke science) can say, - all experiments and observations demonstrate that life can appear only in presence of life and new species do not appear out of old ones, and even laws of genetics clearly state that new species cannot appear out of old ones and even post a link for everyone to see http://scienceprimer.com/punnett-square-calculator ….


    Clearly beliefs of such a Creationist are more in line with hundreds years of experiments, while yours are in direct contradiction to hundred years of thousands of experiments and observations, but your beliefs are not only taught as a state religion, like scientific communism and scientific atheism were taught in the USSR but also but also they are taught as science.


    And that is very wrong and extremely dangerous for both American liberties and natural sciences, more dangerous than Muslim jihad.


    And the fact is that no experiment had been even attempted to be conducted to demonstrate that CO2 absorbs more heat from the Sun during the day than it emits to the infinite dead cold universe during the nights before a full swing hysteria claiming such an effect to exist and no such experiment has ever been even attempted to be conducted, but you will die fighting tooth and nail for the cult of GW and CC.


    I told you that because of teaching of your beliefs instead of science in schools and colleges you cannot have any tools or knowledge to distinguish between science and religion or a set of personal beliefs.


    Don’t even try.[/QUOTE]
    If there is a real scientific fact in that post it is crying from lonliness
     
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    Education is obviously useless when those who claim to be educated are not capable of using the function Find in Adobe Acrobat to scan the given texts of scientific theories and see that none of the theories has any use for evidence or empirical evidence.

    Your reply to the words you quoted have demonstrated again that you neither are educated nor ever can be educated, but you have been brainwashed into aggressive, arrogant and ignorant obscurantism you have been representing here.
     
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    You just make up crapolla.
     
  8. Josephwalker

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    The so called science of the hypothesis is that man's C02 contribution is the primary driver of climate change. This test fell on it's face over the recent decade that had an exponential rises in C02 output as more countries entered the industrial revolution in a very dirty fashion yet the climate didn't warm as predicted and in fact there was a pause in warming as true believers call it.

    As for "herd mentality" that is exactly what is going on in the cult and the fact that you feel the need to mock and ridicule anyone who is not a true believer is a perfect example of cult behavior.
     
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    What exactly are you doing to prepare as you put it?
     
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    And we all know NASA is part of this cult.

    After all, they're a branch of the government used to cover up the existence of aliens.
     
  11. Josephwalker

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    True believers love to quote NASA and feel it gives their belief validity. The thing is the NASA they quote is not the NASA that put a man on the moon it's an entirely different group of people that are themselves true believers and are in the climatology division that was in large part created and staffed by Obama. They proudly wear the NASA label and use it to gain credibility but have nothing to do with the real NASA which is composed of engineers and rocket scientist. You are being duped.
     
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    OMG you're right!

    Please wait here while I go kill myself and put an end to my insurmountable self loathing.
     
  13. Josephwalker

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    No don't do it! Don't drink the Koolaid like the Jim Jones cult did when he was exposed! Just walk away, you'll be fine.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have moved to an area of the country with minimal risk from the increasing water levels, storm damage and centered in such a way that temperature increases will likely mean less snow in winter (already happened in the last five years). I have sufficient stores of non perishable food stuffs and have installed a 15000 gallon fresh water pool. In the last few years I have allowed tree growth on my property to increase and envelope large area in shade while planting more drought tolerant varieties.
    As far as conservation and any attempt at "Being Green" I no longer teach and help others in this as I know it is futile, instead my focus has turned to improving my own situation through alternate and self sufficient energy use and nothing but L.E.D. lighting.
     
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    So in essence you are a survivalist, the same group of people the left so often mocks and ridicules. Interesting how everything is a circle and if you go too far to the left or the right you end up in exactly the same place.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It seems important to take into account the "WHY" in this rather than the arbitrary label. I do not consider myself a "Prepper" but instead a smart person who loves his family.
     
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    As do all survivalist or preppers. They think the collapse of society is imminent and prepare for it, the reason why doesn't really matter. I myself am a small scale prepper in that it's a well known fact that any major disruption in our current JIT delivery for stores and gas stations means we are days away from empty shelves and no gas. It's only wise to be prepared for a disruption like this that could go on for days weeks or even months. If it went for years no amount of preperation will save you it would be survival of the fittest.
     
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    No, climate did warm exactly as predicted. The model predictions were excellent. Anyone who knows the actual science knows that. Anyone who says otherwise is peddling nonsense. The stories that your cult fed to you are fake. You don't ever fact check, being that fact-checking would indicate you don't have full faith in your cult's teachings, so you fall hard for every bit of the propaganda. You can't fool us with your fake stories. We know the actual science, so we know with 100% certainty that you're pushing lies, in the same way that we know with 100% certainty that flat-earthers are pushing lies.

    So, what are some of the other conspiracy theories that you believe in? Do you think ozone depletion was a hoax? Do you think DDT bans killed millions of people? Do you think supply side economics works? Are you a creationist? Do you think the media is liberal? Those are a few of the conspiracy theories that your political cult pushes, so you'll be highly encouraged to believe in them. Denialism isn't the actual cult. Right-wing-extremism is the cult, and denialism is just one of the many conspiracy theories which the cult embraces.
     
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    No, CO2 drives temperature, and temperature drives CO2. One does not preclude the other, and it's amusing to see you cling to such a basic logic failure.

    The best science shows CO2 and temperature moved simultaneously. With the margin of error, it could be leading or lagging.

    Parrenin et al (2013)

    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/339/6123/1060
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    We infer the phasing between CO2 concentration and Antarctic temperature at four times when their trends change abruptly. We find no significant asynchrony between them, indicating that Antarctic temperature did not begin to rise hundreds of years before the concentration of atmospheric CO2, as has been suggested by earlier studies.
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    If you didn't just make that up, I'm sure you'll be able to provide specific examples and hard data. If you can't, you'll need to explain why you made it up.

    The standard supervolcanoes which tend to erupt every 100,000 - 200,000 years don't add enough CO2 to change atmospheric concentrations by more than a couple ppm, which is insignificant to climate.

    One long-term megavolcano, the Siberian Traps, did raise CO2 concentrations a lot. That was followed by runaway warming.

    Ice volume lags temperature by thousands of years. By your own standards, that means it can't be a driver. In contrast, CO2 is basically simultaneous with temperature.

    Starting in 1970, with a cooling sun, the planet started warming strongly without any ice albedo feedback to drive it. There was increased CO2.

    The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum was a very warm period that followed a mildly warm period. There was no ice to start with, so ice albedo feedback couldn't have been a factor. There was increased CO2.

    Your theory does not explain the observed data, therefore it's wrong. AGW theory does explain all the observed data, hence it's the accepted theory.

    No, it's definitely self-limiting, due to the logarithmic nature of CO2 feedback.

    You're pretending to be rational, remember? That means no cult conspiracy theories.
     
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    Note that the pause in warming is only an atmospheric phenomenon. The atmosphere represents maybe 3-4% of the biosphere warming while land and ice is another 3-4%. The ocean accounts for about 93% of the warming. And aside from a few volcanic eruptions that temporarily cooled the planet the warming of the entire biosphere continued pretty much unabated even during the 1998-2012 atmospheric pause. And remember, it's skeptics that like to point out "the pause" as a way of discrediting AGW. It's skeptics that have given this time period it's label. And it's skeptics that like to cherry pick not only just the atmosphere, but a particular period in time as well when trying to make their argument.

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    Another important point to mention is that even despite "the pause" in the atmospheric warming predictions are actually verifying pretty well. Even Hansen's 1988 prediction to the US Congress from 30 years ago was really close. His middle of the road and mostly likely scenario B projection was off by less than 0.1C which is remarkable considering it was a 30 year old prediction. So I really don't know why skeptics are saying the Earth didn't warm like it was predicted.

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    It’s an entirely different group of people ?
    Do you really know that NASA never has been composed of just, rocket scientists and engineers ? Among their responsibilities is to provide accurate daily information to related corporations, the armed forces and the agriculture sector so they can make long term plans. The military, medical and related research corporations like to know sea level rises so their own entomologist can study the migration patterns of desease carrying insects for example. Many of theses measurements can only be made from space. Sort of makes the idea that Nasa should only aim their telescopes towards the heavens, pretty dumb.
    The idea that NASA is not reliable and does not use ligit science to best determine the nature of earth, our only viable habitat in space, is pretty insane.
    Space is now used by a plethora of agencies and corporations both here and abroad and NASA has a responsibilities to provide everyone the correct information, regulation and guidance.
     
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    Low hanging fruit here is it was the skeptics that labeled it a " pause". It was the cult that labeled it that in an attempt to hide the failure of their hypothesis. Nice try.
     
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    Bottom !ine is these cult members in the climatology division seek legitimacy by their association with the rocket scientist and engineers that have done such great things. It's like the guy that washes uniforms for the Dodgers using his employment by them to legitimize his claim of being a Dodger He has the logo on his cap and his letterhead so he's a Dodger or at least that's what he wants people to think.
     
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    Wait, I give you facts about the duties of NASA and you counter with the laundry boy for the Dodgers. Facts are facts.
     
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    Deniers like to keep using the term cult for the worlds leading institutes of higher learning. Cults apply to religious worship. How does that work ?
     

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