Study of the NIST Collapse of World Trade Center 7 Theory

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Before and after 2001, in countries all around the world including the US, there are examples of modern steel buildings catching fire, becoming fully involved in some cases, burning all night in some cases, and never collapsing. It's old news, though the most recent was the Grenfell Tower building in London about 6 months ago.

    I say again soldier, a man like you will dismiss any and all information that threatens your view of the world. I'm not trying to change your mind or anybody else. If you were actually curious about these things, you would have already informed yourself, years ago. Clearly you're not curious. Carry on.
     
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    Says the guy who ignored many of my very specific but uncomfortable questions.
     
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    Well you clearly deflected once again. I'm asking a really SIMPLE question. How many of these past examples you keep bringing up had a completely full massive airplane explode inside of them loaded with jet fuel?

    What the hell is so hard about this question that the conspiracy nuts are afraid to answer???
     
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    If there were "explosions" that "severed the main supports" then the buildings would not have continued standing when the planes hit them. So that "blows" that conspiracy clear out of the water.

    I did explain how the debris was scattered by the impact but it isn't rocket science. To get technical the supports were under load prior to the impact but the load shifted to the side of impact at the time of impact thus unloading the supports on the opposite side. Then before the load can come back the plane slams into the unloaded supports on the opposite side sending them flying with the momentum imparted by the plane.

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    Your own eyes can see the momentum transference in the GIF above.
     
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    Buildings do catch fire and when they do the SPRINKLER SYSTEMS contain the fire WITHIN the building while the fire depts contain the fires OUTSIDE of the building.

    The collapse of the WTC towers severed the water main to the WTC7 sprinkler system allowing the INTERNAL FIRES to rage unchecked. The NYC fire dept was called off because they could not contain them from the outside for the same reason, there was no mains water supply for them to use either.

    So when you provide a similar instance where the water supply is non existent you will have a relevant comparison.
     
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    The airplane crash discussion is really off topic, it has nothing to do with Hulsey's discovery. However:

    It's an irrelevant question in terms of the official narrative. According to NIST, the WTC1 & WTC2 towers would not have collapsed from the damage caused by the planes or the ensuing fires if the fireproofing had not been stripped. There are several problems with that theory.

    1. NIST provided no evidence that the fireproofing was stripped, nor did NIST provide any evidence that their theory has any merit.
    2. The fireproofing was actually reinforced in both towers exactly at the impacted floors.
    3. Even if the fireproofing was stripped, it could have only been stripped at the exact impacted areas which account for less than 10% of the building's floors, the remaining >90% of the building was unaffected.
     
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    Please note I will no longer respond to any post about me. These violate the forum rules and will be reported. Stick to the topic of this thread or stay out of this thread.
     
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    He made no discovery he repeated the same tired claims which have been debunked over and over again
     
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    Look man, once this study is peered reviewed and if no one can negate the science, and if you post that, it will end up in this section. Accept it, for even if this is true, what the research yields, it will still be seen as tin foil hat stuff. And it isn't the so called people like you who need to see a shrink, but the people who will reject science, perhaps because they simply cannot handle something which would destroy the views they have cultivated in their lives. They cannot handle it. It is pure human psychology. In our daily lives we call these people dumb, stupid, idiots and so on. These are the perfect herd people, who can be controlled, by feeding them bullshit, for they will never ever question the bullshit. For they believe their gov't never lies to them. And when it does, they get instant amnesia, which is essential for this herd to remain a herd.
     
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    Thank you, everything you posted is spot on. I knew all this well before you posted it but I wasn't going to remain silent. Remaining silent validates their world view, they absolutely have to be exposed for their illegitimacy. And you see when questioned/challenged on their world view, they have no logical response and they know it. This isn't just about this forum, every single forum I've ever checked out has JFK and 9/11 relegated and trivialized in the "conspiracy theory" section of their forum, despite that these are extremely significant world changing historical events. They have been thoroughly indoctrinated.
     
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    I have said that since day one here on various topics. 911 and the JFK murder, the official story has a ton of incoherence. I was educated in the 50s when such things mattered, and they mattered a lot. And so my mind cannot just ignore them. All that I know is that both 911 and the JFK deal, the official stories are hiding something important, due to the tons of incoherence. An incoherence here or there is acceptable, but nothing like we see with either event should be accepted by a critical thinker.

    I have no theories on what really happened in either event. I just know the official stories are not truthful. The vast and ignored number of incoherence is just too great in number. But this does not bother anyone but genuine critical thinkers.
     
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    No one needs to have any theory on what actually happened to know the official story is not true. The official story itself falls apart when it makes no sense to anyone with reasonable intelligence, is told at the mental level of a child by a pathologically lying entity (the US government) and most of it is classified under false pretense of "national security".

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels
     
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    It seems that some members are of the conviction that the outbreak of the WTA7 'fire' was coincidental to the attacks on 1 & 2? Nah, that would be a coincidence too far?
     
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    How absolutely true that is.
     
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    The fireproofing could not withstand the impact of the planes and the collapses happened at the point of impact where the fireproofing was stripped off by the impact.

    Anyone who believes that fireproofing could withstand the impact of a plane doing 500 mph doesn't know anything at all about the subject matter.

    The fact that the fireproofing in the rest of the building was intact is utterly irrelevant and a CT distraction. It was the lack of fireproofing at the point of impact where the supports were severely compromised that caused them to fail under the weight of floors above. The heat from the fire weakened them to the point of collapse.

    Buildings with fireproofing, working sprinkler systems and outside fire containment by fire departments can and do survive fires.

    The WTC towers had the fireproofing stripped by the 500 mph impact of the planes that also took out the sprinkler systems and severely compromised the structural supports for the building.
     
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    Obviously, none. Not a single one.

    Here's one for you not to answer: what was the explosion in the basement that was witnessed by Willy Rodriguez BEFORE the airplane struck? And why did the seismic study done by Gordon Ross and Craig Furlong reveal that massive explosion. I won't hold my breath waiting for an honest answer to that one soldier.

    And why would Robertson and others involved in the design and construction of the towers say that they had incorporated designs to have the towers withstand and airliner strike? And then why would the towers perform exactly as designed for an hour or better?
     
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    That you are not interested in knowing how momentum is imparted from one moving body to another stationary body is not my problem. I could have used billiard balls instead because the exact same principle applies.

    http://clay6.com/qa/18582/a-body-x-...des-with-another-identical-stationary-body-y-

    Instead you resort to puerile baiting and taunting probably because the evidence of your own eyes is causing cognitive dissonance with your conspiracy theory beliefs.

    At this point there is nothing further to be gained since you are obviously not interested in the math and physics behind what actually occurred at the WTC.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Dr. Robert Korol calculated that very conservatively, the energy required to completely destroy the WTC tower is about 2.5 times the energy that gravity can provide. And he claims this does not include the energy required to pulverize the concrete and hurl multi-ton steel debris hundreds of feet distant. Dr. Korol is a co-author of this article:

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    The irony is inescapable.
     
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    And good day to you sir. I'm aware of the math and physics involved at WTC, and it all works against the official conspiracy theory.
     
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    Who knew that CT'ers had all agreed to produce an "official conspiracy theory" for themselves regarding the WTC?

    That must be a first!

    :roflol:
     
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    I'm glad you like it. Actually, it is an old term, one used to describe the official conspiracy theory advanced by the federal government, and formalized by such government organizations such as NIST and the 911 Commission.

    In a nutshell, it theorizes that 19 non-Israeli arabs with box cutters hijacked 4 specific airliners, killed the flight crews, and flew the airplanes into buildings and fields. It theorizes that cell phones were used in ways impossible to start the story, and that burning office furnishings on 8 floors caused all 110 stories to collapse at free fall speeds.

    Yes, it is hilarious. :applause:
     
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    Except you are being willfully dishonest and ignoring facts.

    There is no official conspiracy theory there is in fact an evidence and fact based understanding of what happened which you call a conspiracy theory.

    Yes we know and can prove through fact based evidence that 19 muslim hijackers took control of aircraft attacking with boxcutters and crashed into buildings and one field.

    YOU CANNOT present or demonstrate any evidence of any kind whatsoever to challenge THOSE facts and I dare you to try. BOBO the foolish clown has lied and presented no evidence or fact of anykind whatsoever to challenge or refute those facts and neither has anyone else.

    Your claim of the cell phones are is an outright lie as is the rest of your claim
     
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    Are you unaware that of those 19 hijackers, around 6 of them pictured by the FBI are still alive, several of them medical doctors? So, an incoherence, of a multitude of incoherence. These 6 raised hell in the middle east, and yet have you seen a retraction by any authority in the US, or by anyone in MSM? Ask yourself a simple question. Why is this? This is only one incoherence, out of perhaps a hundred. If these incoherences appeared in experiments to evidence a hypothesis, what would an honest researcher, scientist do? Sure, the FBI could have got it wrong. Made a mistake on this one. But why the blackout of the truth, when these 6 in the middle east wanted to be proven they didn't do it? Because it would add fodder to the people questioning the official story? There is so much stench in regards to the official story. And remember, I have no theories as to what the truth is, but it is apparent, given the number of incoherences, that the official story is filled with lies. And the number of experienced, credible people, who question what you believe is astounding. Which means we still have independent critical thinkers in america, not willing to be fooled by what Goebbels laid out. There is a conspiracy in the cover up. Just as there was a conspiracy in the cover up via the Warren Commission.
     
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