Study of the NIST Collapse of World Trade Center 7 Theory

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, we shall have to wait and see. The preliminary findings may be public, but it is getting zero coverage, and not many know about it. Change only happens when people are aware of something which needs to be changed. If the media does not inform people sufficiently, then the truth will remain hidden. And this happens all of the time with other issues.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    And that's why I'm here and there are many others in forum and elsewhere trying to keep people informed. You said there's nothing you can do about it, well you see that's not true. Education is critical, otherwise you're just letting them get away with their lies. If I didn't post about Hulsey, for example, who in this forum would have? And posted a detailed analysis of his work? And if the Hulsey threads didn't exist, how many in this forum would know about his study?
     
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    Well my money ways a scant few would know anything about Hulsey. If something is not covered in the MSM, if it is blacked out, and they are notorious for doing this, few people would know anything about it. And right now, IMO, most americans would believe it was a tin foil hatter, no matter who the scientist was, unless it was someone that is well known, like Kaku.
     
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    He is one of the top experts in his field, perfect for the task, a building collapse forensics engineer. It doesn't matter how many or who knows him or doesn't, his credentials speak for themselves. I never heard of him before AE911T funded his project. But who would unless one had anything to do with his specific area of expertise?

    Correct but that should stop no one from educating those who are unaware so that as many know as possible. And that's the very reason why those who care should be working hard to educate as many as possible.

    When interviewed about the 9/11 building "collapses", Kaku lied or exhibited shocking ignorance on the subject of controlled demolitions.



    Perhaps Kaku was afraid of being labeled a "tin foil hatter", same as Noam Chomsky.
     
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    There is no "growing number of experts" at all. Instead there are just a bunch of hacks who are shamelessly exploiting the gullible conspiracy believers in oder to line their own pockets.

    Granted what I have provided is beyond your own expertise but that doesn't mean that you can't use your own critical thinking skills to determine credibility.

    So let's start with the basics such as what is a conspiracy? In essence it is a group who try to commit an unlawful act. The terrorists who conspired to hijack the planes are an example of a successful conspiracy since they achieved their goal. Now let's take a look at what is proposed as the 9/11 government conspiracy. According to them explosive demolition was used to bring down the WTC towers.

    Anyone who has ever watched a video of a building brought down by explosive demolition knows that the explosives are shaped charges used to "cut" the steel supporting girders at the base and allow the weight of the building to then demolish it as it collapses.

    So why were there no explosive charges placed at the BASE of the towers? Why put them up near the top? How did they know exactly which floors the planes would hit? Why not take out all of the girders instead of leaving enough of them still standing to support the floors above for almost an hour? How did they even have access to those girders on those floors to place the charges? Why did none of the maintenance people notice anything happening when the charges were placed? Why was there no trace of explosives found in the aftermath? What happened to the taggents? How did they all of the disappear without a trace?

    Conspiracy theorists want you to ignore the known and proven engineering science of strengths of materials and instead believe a load of baloney where they have no answers at all to the most obvious questions.

    Not one single conspiracy theorist has proposed a viable and/or credible alternative scenario to the facts and the Engineering Science.

    Yes, it was an unusual event because no one ever designed buildings to withstand the impact of large commercial jets flying into them at 500 mph and setting the buildings on fire.

    But the collapse followed standard engineering science principles and there is no question as to why the steel failed after being exposed to heat that reduced their capacity to bear the load on the remaining girders.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    The problem is you have never provided anything within anyone's expertise, including your own alleged claimed expertise, that has anything to do with this topic. You have been challenged to show how and why Dr. Hulsey's study is faulty with respect to his analysis of NIST's theory and you haven't once made any attempt to address the study in any legitimate technical form. Instead you keep avoiding any discussion about Hulsey's study and instead post pretentious nonsense that strength of materials is the most important key factor in the analysis of the destruction of the 3 towers on 9/11. If that were true, NIST would have published their theory in about 5 pages and taken a few weeks for their "investigation" instead of 7 years for WTC7.
     
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    So let me see if you want to take a crack at this or you're just FOS as I anticipate.

    Slides 45, 46 and 47 are calculations (the MATH) from the ARUP study. You say you read the NIST report and the math doesn't lie. Hulsey uses ARUP's calculations and concludes the following at Slide 48:

    This 215,211 lb. impact force is only 34% of the 632,000 lb. force required and thus insufficient to shear the girder bearing seat support welds. The northeast corner of floor 12 would not have collapsed if a girder at floor 13 came off its seat at column 79 and fell onto it. Thus the ARUP analysis does not show a basis for propagation, even if the girder were to fall off its seat at column 79. These findings illustrate that ARUP’s explanation is invalid.

    The NIST WTC7 report also states that the falling girder would break through the next floor down
    . Therefore the NIST explanation is also invalid on this ground.

    http://ine.uaf.edu/media/92216/wtc7-structural-reevaluation_progress-report_2017-9-7.pdf

    What the above comes down to in elementary terms is that NIST's theory that the thermal expansion that caused column 79 to fail (assuming it did indeed fail) could not possibly have led to the domino effect that eventually destroyed the entire WTC7 building.


    So if you disagree with either or both ARUP's calculations and Hulsey's calculations/conclusions, please state where and why you disagree. If you just disagree with ARUP's calculations, please post your own calculations and show why yours are valid and ARUP's are not. If you just disagree with Hulsey's statement that the impact force is insufficient, please post your detailed "corrections". If you ignore this post (as you have done thus far) or are unable to show anything reasonable, then it must be concluded that you're just FOS and/or you really have no clue.
     
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    What there really are is a bunch of anonymous hacks in multiple forums pretending they know better than highly credentialed experts who have actually done the research and applied their skills. Some of these hacks even claim to have a "background" in engineering (whatever that means) but when challenged to validate their alleged expertise by showing how and why the real experts are wrong, they remain silent because they really have no clue and likely no background in anything other than trolling.
     
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    You were not at Ground Zero at the World Trade Center, I was.
    I lost many close friends, F.D.N.Y. N.Y.P.D. and others....
    You have a Political axe to grind, and you disrespect and ignore the input of people like that were present in those dark days.
    Simply Amazing, and I do not need your permission or your approval to post on avpublic forum.
     
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    Look in the Mirror when you say that.
    You are no expert, yet you post and foam at th mouth over something you were not involved in.
     
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    Irrelevant to the topic of this thread. I asked you to start your own thread with the above topic, it has zero to do with this discussion.

    Quite the opposite. It's you who disrespects those who were involved and especially the 9/11 families by attempting to suppress questions and the truth about what happened on 9/11.

    I agree 100%, so start your own thread with whatever topic you want to discuss. No one is stopping you from posting. However in this forum there are rules concerning remaining on topic. You are trolling. This topic is specifically about Dr. Hulsey's study, stay on topic or get out of this thread.
     
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    I don't need to be an expert to post papers and conclusions from experts such as Dr. Hulsey and discuss those issues, nor do I need to have been involved, no one does. Any alleged involvement by you is irrelevant to this topic. I do not "foam at the mouth", I post just like you. Are you "foaming at the mouth" merely by posting (in this case trolling)? Again, get the **** out of this thread if you can't/won't post on topic.
     
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    What's your take on the diseases experienced by those who worked at GZ? The diseases addressed in part by the Zadroga Bill? I would think a local would have an opinion about that.
     
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    Can we please stick to the topic of this thread? Thanks.
     
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    I hate to digress from the topic of this thread and you haven't taken the initiative to start your own thread based on the above insulting false claim.

    The pursuit of the truth about what happened on 9/11 is partly for the purpose of respecting those who have been massacred on 9/11, those who gave their lives attempting to save others and their loved ones who may one day achieve closure. So I will post this just for you (one time only in this thread) so perhaps you can understand how wrong you are.

    Firefighters for 9/11 Truth & Unity operates as a private association of people, from the international fire service, military, police and the general public, who choose to Honor ALL the Fallen with a commitment of “Never Forget, Never Again.”

    To us, "Never Forget..." means:

    WE choose to Acknowledge & Honor ALL the 9/11 Fallen.

    The "9/11 Fallen" includes ALL people from all ages, nations, races & beliefs that were killed in any of: the 9/11 Attacks, 9/11 Illnesses, or the 9/11 Wars which continue around the world today.

    To us, "Never Again" means:
    WE choose to support Unitive Actions, a Responsible 9/11 Investigation, and Radical Change.

    "Unitive Actions" create a Radically Responsible and loving world.

    "A Responsible 9/11 Investigation" follows the NFPA 921 - National Fire Investigation Standards in order to create safer buildings and firefighting operations.

    "Radical Change" starts individually and then becomes systemic:

    • WE personally choose to learn and positively change from the wars, suffering, traumas, racism, extremism, loss of liberty, and deaths that have resulted from the 9/11 Lies we collectively, and blindly believe(d).
    • WE support positive and radical change in our Social, Political, Economic, and Environmental Systems, that creates a thriving world, so that False Flag and extremist attacks could NEVER result in systemic lies, profit, coverup, loss of liberty, extremist response & criminal war AGAIN.
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