Study on antibodies proving Covid jab might kill us eventually.

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not accurate Joe. The VAERS data is over 11000 dead with many more wounded. Europe's system is a bit more honest and meaningful than our VAERS system, and their numbers are quite a bit higher than ours.

    The vaccines have killed many, wounded many more. The 40 year old daughter of a good friend seems to be in a permanent state of GB, with periods of extreme headaches.
     
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    The VAERS data has over 11000 reported, not confirmed. Only 3 have been confirmed
     
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    Bullshit, there's nothing brave about poor doctors seeking alternative income routes!

    Why the hell have you quoted my response to your crappy claim, then not even addressed it or your original crappy claim? Try again!

    Do you even read your crap? The title is nothing whatsoever to do with the local medical board guidance! There are a whole load of completely false statements and conclusions that are nothing to do with what was stated by the FSMB.

    "On July 29, 2021, the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB) warned all healthcare professionals that they could lose their medical license if they create or spread so-called “COVID-19 vaccine misinformation.

    "The FSMB asserts: “Due to their specialized knowledge and training, licensed physicians possess a high degree of public trust and therefore have a powerful platform in society, whether they recognize it or not.”

    “They also have an ethical and professional responsibility to practice medicine in the best interests of their patients and must share information that is factual, scientifically grounded and consensus-driven for the betterment of public health.”"
     
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    CDC will use the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) to identify vaccine breakthrough cases.


    As of August 2, 2021, more than 164 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.


    During the same time, CDC received reports from 49 U.S. states and territories of 7,525 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died.


    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
     
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    Fact Check-VAERS reported vaccine deaths have not been confirmed or deemed causal by CDC | Reuters
    The CDC explains here that VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event regardless of proof that it was caused by the vaccine.

    VAERS did receive 4,178 reports of deaths (0.0017% of all vaccine doses) between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 3, 2021. However, these reports don’t point to a causal relationship between receiving the vaccine and death.

    As of May 11, 2021, the CDC says that “a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.”

    The way the article presents the reported deaths (a photo in the article reads, “CDC: 4,178 Americans DEAD after experimental COVID shots”) leads readers to believe this finding was confirmed and released by the CDC.

    Reuters explored this lack of causality in other fact check articles visible here and here



    What I find nauseating about this branch of conspiracy theorist is that on the one hand they reject many deaths attributed to covid-19 because they deny causation, then do the complete opposite for the vaccines. The disease causation may not be as accurate as possible since this is the nature of random deaths, but the causation from the vaccine is utter nonsense and very tiny compared to the disease - 0.0017% of all vaccine doses.
     
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    Just running out of ways to show how appallingly inept you are! You constantly put up one crap video after another and fail every single time to verify or understand any of it!

    The guy in the videos has been misquoted and all the context put into batshittery. Just your thing. He has been inundated by cranks and worried normal people anxious to understand what he is saying.

    As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers | David LV Bauer | The Guardian
    As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
    David LV Bauer
    "As a virologist, I’ve spent the past year or more studying the novel coronavirus that has upended all our lives. Communicating our work to the public and speaking to the media is an important part of my job, and I’ve always tried to be clear and accurate about the science: I believe the available vaccines against Covid-19 are safe, and they are our best route back to a more normal way of living.

    I’ve been concerned about the anti-vaccination movement since before the pandemic. But I never imagined that my own work could actually be part of their misinformation arsenal. So I was shocked to discover that a recent TV interview I did for ITV London News had been seized on by anti-vax and conspiracy activists and now has thousands of likes, shares and retweets across social media."


    "A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.

    But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide. And the idea that the vaccines destroy your immune system is just plain false: antibody levels in vaccinated people are still far higher than they are in unvaccinated people. Obscuring this fact has obvious tragic consequences, as unvaccinated patients continue to fill intensive care units around the world."

    97% Of People Entering Hospitals For COVID-19 Are Unvaccinated : NPR
     
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    IMHO the coronavirus is a satanic Democratic plot to kill Republican supporters.
    The virus is really deadly and the vaccine works, but Democrats convinced gullible Republicans that the “Study on antibodies proving Covid jab might kill us eventually” – and Republicans are dying.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/anti-vax-radio-hosts-dying-covid
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-died-covid-will-their-deaths-change-n1278258

    Democrats – stop convincing Republican supporters not to take the vaccine! Republicans are humans too!
     
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    So why are you advocating for and against medical treatment?

    Not every doctor is the same

    Some are just plain batshit crazy

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    When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
     
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    It isn't lost. It never started because you and the people who follow the same identical behavioural paths are in full denial and are unable to debate in the first place!

    Nope. Denial is the correct tool - used ad nauseum by conspiracy theorists in every claim.
     
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    The entire reason that boosters are needed and will not work is because the typical flu was enhanced with covid meaning that boosters are worthless as a new vaccine is needed, which they are not working on which will create a new pandemic
     
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    You don't know it's lost, just as you don't know that Ivermectin and HCQ are effective therapies.

    You "know" only what the mainstream media tells you.
     
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    You have no idea what you are talking about. Almost every post you make, on every subject is propped up by batshit.

    I know the latter is. The former is still being strongly reviewed to ensure safety. None of your sources has documented post therapy side effects, regime or given any firm medical reasoning for its safe use.

    Wrong. I have forgotten more in weeks than you have ever been taught in your entire life. You simply have no consideration for anything unless it comes from the lunatic fringe, fake-news outlets or websites aimed to make money from the clueless and gullible.
     
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    Clueless. If it's batshit, you splatter it on here. No verification, no scientific method, no evidence, just from people with websites making money from the ignorant and gullible.
     
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    The viewers are wondering why you failed to answer this stunning proof that you have posted batshit lies.

    Just running out of ways to show how appallingly inept you are! You constantly put up one crap video after another and fail every single time to verify or understand any of it!

    The guy in the videos has been misquoted and all the context put into batshittery. Just your thing. He has been inundated by cranks and worried normal people anxious to understand what he is saying.

    As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers | David LV Bauer | The Guardian
    As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
    David LV Bauer
    "As a virologist, I’ve spent the past year or more studying the novel coronavirus that has upended all our lives. Communicating our work to the public and speaking to the media is an important part of my job, and I’ve always tried to be clear and accurate about the science: I believe the available vaccines against Covid-19 are safe, and they are our best route back to a more normal way of living.

    I’ve been concerned about the anti-vaccination movement since before the pandemic. But I never imagined that my own work could actually be part of their misinformation arsenal. So I was shocked to discover that a recent TV interview I did for ITV London News had been seized on by anti-vax and conspiracy activists and now has thousands of likes, shares and retweets across social media."


    "A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.

    But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide. And the idea that the vaccines destroy your immune system is just plain false: antibody levels in vaccinated people are still far higher than they are in unvaccinated people. Obscuring this fact has obvious tragic consequences, as unvaccinated patients continue to fill intensive care units around the world."

    97% Of People Entering Hospitals For COVID-19 Are Unvaccinated : NPR
     
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    Different sources say different things.
    https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/07...-a-recent-analysis-had-been-fully-vaccinated/
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    According to a new analysis by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), most of the people who got Covid-19, as well as almost all of those who were hospitalized, had been fully vaccinated.
    ------------------------------------------------------

    With all this contradictory info out there my position is I don't know. There are loads of mainstream articles written by sophists who do damage-control so just choosing one of their articles is not very impressive.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ht-kill-us-eventually.590227/#post-1072800266

    Also, it's been alleged that a lot of people supposedly in the hospital for covid really have vaccine-injury and the doctors are just saying it's covid.
     
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    Your source quotes a CDC from Barnstaple, Massachusetts! Hardly a generalised reading! This is so typical of the appalling deception known as cherry picking by trufers. What consideration for the people vaccinated now not bothering to wear masks, more ok about mixing and going out? This account references multiple outdoor events.

    That is your position on everything! You cite a CDC article, then read this!

    Covid: CDC study shows unvaccinated people 29 times more likely to be hospitalized (cnbc.com)

    Batshit claim. Once again we have your idiotic conspiracy claim to prop up another and to dismiss ANYTHING that contradicts the batshit.

    Batshit claim. Alleged with ZERO evidence. The people in hospital were infected by aliens from another galaxy. Just as feasible.
     
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    Hey spammer, why did you miss out responding to the whole post? Are you afraid to be wrong here?

    The guy in the videos has been misquoted and all the context put into batshittery. Just your thing. He has been inundated by cranks and worried normal people anxious to understand what he is saying.

    As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers | David LV Bauer | The Guardian
    As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
    David LV Bauer
    "As a virologist, I’ve spent the past year or more studying the novel coronavirus that has upended all our lives. Communicating our work to the public and speaking to the media is an important part of my job, and I’ve always tried to be clear and accurate about the science: I believe the available vaccines against Covid-19 are safe, and they are our best route back to a more normal way of living.

    I’ve been concerned about the anti-vaccination movement since before the pandemic. But I never imagined that my own work could actually be part of their misinformation arsenal. So I was shocked to discover that a recent TV interview I did for ITV London News had been seized on by anti-vax and conspiracy activists and now has thousands of likes, shares and retweets across social media."


    "A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.

    But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide. And the idea that the vaccines destroy your immune system is just plain false: antibody levels in vaccinated people are still far higher than they are in unvaccinated people. Obscuring this fact has obvious tragic consequences, as unvaccinated patients continue to fill intensive care units around the world."
     
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    Sorry but let us compare sources

    NPR versus comeinsucker.com

    A blog

    By a journalist

    and known anti vaxxer
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    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ht-kill-us-eventually.590227/#post-1072800163
    I finally watched this video again.
    https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/v...s-crick-institute-gvs-news-footage/1325046154

    I see that I did misunderstand what he was saying. I thought he was referring to people's natural antibodies that they have before getting the vaccine. I see now that he was talking about antibodies produced by the vaccine. I must have had too much coffee that day.

    I'd like to see a discussion between him and these doctors.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ure-such-events.569790/page-9#post-1072931157
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ure-such-events.569790/page-5#post-1072857909
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...rlds-population.587240/page-3#post-1072930634
     
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    Now if only YOU had bothered sourcing the dead easy to find stuff that explains and refutes most of the junk you post! Whistleblowing nurses?

    Restraining the elderly and vaccinating them - how do you know they aren't afraid of needles and senile? Heart attacks after any injection compared to this particular one?

    Hundreds of millions have successfully and safely had the vaccine. Tiny percentages of hundredths of a percent have problems and these are of course, the very people likely to have a bad covid-19 episode.
     
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    I know of five people who had very bad experiences. Four got very sick for a few days and one got a swollen foot that never went away. This isn't consistent with your scenario.

    Lots of cases of deaths and injuries aren't reported to VAERS. We don't know the real percentages. Also, this theory may turn out to be real.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...e-get-placebos-instead-of-the-vaccine.591094/

    That would raise the percentage of injuries and deaths.
     
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    You don't know it DownUnder, but Sharyl Attkisson is a great journalist. She took all sorts of heat under Obama for exposing the ATF false flag known as Fast & Furious. The feds hacked into her computer for her telling the truth.

    Ignorance does not suit you well BB.
     

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