Study Shows Direct Correlation Between 5G Networks and “Coronavirus” Outbreaks

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  1. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    That meme is clearly behind the times...
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    South Korea has the highest number of cities with 5G availability, followed by China, the US, and the UK, according to a report from network testing provider VIAVI.
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    https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5g-expands-to-378-cities-across-34-countries/
     
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    Lots of countries do not have 5g but do have Coronavirus

    Tell me in your own words how one causes the other
     
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    While I don't have hard evidence, I am going to go on a limb and bet the COVID contagion so much the entire city is under lock and key as of May 1 has ZERO 5G networks there.

    PS. I looked at cel towers in around Gallup. Zero G5!
     
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    So "passing on" a obviously nutcase and inaccurate diatribe feels like a worthy cause with zero support except it was written in spanish?
     
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  5. phoenyx

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    I never said that 5G causes covid 19. I believe it could increase the lethality of covid 19. For the time being, I am going with the theory that there is a virus. There are those who argue that there is no strong evidence that Cov 2 exists. Unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge in such things understanding the arguments against it. If you do, perhaps you could debate someone who knows more than I do on this here:
    http://letsrollforums.com//showpost.php?p=279537&postcount=16

    So, assuming that Cov 2 is real, the one remaining issue is, what increases its lethality? There is strong evidence that having certain pre existing conditions increases its lethality, the biggest of which is simply old age. There are other conditions as well, such as cardiovascular disease, that apparently increase the risk of dying as well. worldometers gets into that here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

    There seems to be increasing evidence that air pollution plays a major role as well:
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...er-air-pollution-deaths-study-finds-1.4918538

    And ofcourse there is now the study that I posted in the OP that suggests that 5G is playing a role in it as well.

    As to countries that don't have 5G, they probably still have other cell phone networks such as 4G. 5G is fairly new- that being said, hundreds of EMF scientists have been arguing that it shouldn't be rolled out due to safety concerns, not just of 5G, but of lower G networks as well. It's all documented in articles such as this one:
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/
     
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    Where is Gallup exactly?
     
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    As far as I can tell, the spanish paper looks well researched. Using this type of language is the type of thing that tends to end discussions instead of focusing on the evidence. I for one would like to follow the evidence wherever it may lead.
     
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    Gallup, New Mexico

    Its about 140 miles West of Albuquerque, New Mexico.

    A town of 2200 population, the small size of town at which the Right Wing have been saying should never have been shut down because its only places like New York that would be seriously infect with COVID.

    Kinda of like the smaller towns that have serious Corvid infection around meat packing plansts tgat had so much COVID that they shut down, but Trump personally enacted the law that workers at places like that they are being forced to work there in our Good Ol' USA! Let Freedom Ring out and our chicken wings and bacon be plentiful even if some of our low wage workers will die to defend our Sports Bars!
     
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    Oh, yes!

    I can just look at the 10s of thousands people running out to be in the beaches in the sun.

    I guess they are all work there making sand castles to collect their paychecks! o_O

    I will say it again. There is a point to people who need to make a living to survive, and that is worth discussion. But people wanting a haircut or sitting at the beach are not worth the lives that will die from unneeded early "release" from the hell of TV and Scrabble.
     
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    Sth Korea's deaths per million are 4 and China's are 3. They have the two highest concentrations of 5G networks in the world. That alone drives a fairly big truck through any attempt to link the two phenomena.
     
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    No, that was Donna Brazille.
     
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    Well, I don't know how well Gallup has been doing in particular. I note that New Mexico has been doing a fair amount better than the U.S. average in terms of deaths per million- they're at 66 deaths per million, while the U.S. average is now at 204 deaths per million. New York State towers above all other states with 1,242. If it were a country, it would have the highest covid 19 death rate worldwide.
    (Sources: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries )

    Here's to hoping that people do more studies like the one in the OP of this thread- I strongly suspect that things like air pollution and cell networks may well be the real reason that New York State has been hit so much harder than more out of the way places like Gallup that probably have less of both. Because if -that's the case, then we've been putting too much emphasis on social isolation and not enough emphasis on a clean environment (with Trump leading the charge to dismantle what little protections are left).
     
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    Unless their reporting leaves something to be desired. China in particular appears to be fuzzing the numbers:
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-why-would-we-trust-chinas-official-covid-19-numbers/

    South Korea is another matter. It's a good point to raise, but it can be counterbalanced to some extent when we take into account that at the present time, a lot of the 5G frequencies are in the same range as 4G frequencies. Furthermore, air pollution may play a bigger role.

    There are some good facts in the following article I just googled concerning covid 19 and 5G:
    https://factcheck.afp.com/experts-dismiss-claims-5g-wireless-technology-created-novel-coronavirus

    Clearly, those who believe that 5G is playing a role will need to take these things into account, while also taking into account the fact that there is a lot of evidence that cell phone networks are causing harm as well:
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/
     
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    Even if China is lying by a factor of 10 it doesn't help your case because it clearly isn't hiding massive outbreaks in multiple cities - which is what should be happening if 5G is in any way related to this.

    In other words you know this is just made up so you will just throw up 'but....' to every point until people challenging you get tired of chasing every point down every rabbit hole. One of the joys of a theory for which there is no actual evidence is that it can be altered on a moment's notice.

    There is no evidence of a causal link here and the situation in China & Sth Korea lay that very bare. I suspect that anyone prepared to dig deeper into that 'paper' would be able to uncover many, many more examples of selective use of data.
     
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    For it not to be true that there is a deadly infectious airborne disease it would have to involve

    A) every pathology laboratory in the world
    B) every epidemiologist in the world
    C) every government in the world

    Vwersus some TWONK on the Internet

    Hmmm. Let’s see.........

    I am going with the scientists especially since I can and do read scientific reports

    (And BTW your “study” in the OP is NOT a scientific study but some twit making stuff up )

    Are you actually reading these links or are you deliberately trolling with complete logical fallacies?


    NOT a “study”

    It is a blog from a far right conspiracy site
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    Hmmmm needs further investigating and on the surface looks valid BUT it is not an article from scientific American but a blog published on their site discussing a group of 260 scientists who had objections and it reminded me strongly of the OISM “study” about global warming that listed people who were not scientists or who in many circumstances were not even alive!
     
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    Again, I didn't say that the link was causal. I think that it may be more of the additive variety. The case that air pollution increases the lethality has already been made and has been accepted by many mainstream sources. Here's an article on it:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200427-how-air-pollution-exacerbates-covid-19

    An excerpt:
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    One recent study found that even small increases in fine particulate matter, known as PM2.5, have had an outsized effect in the US. An increase of just 1 microgram per cubic metre corresponded to a 15% increase in Covid-19 deaths, according to the researchers, led by Xiao Wu and Rachel Nethery at the at the Harvard University T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
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    I can see the same happening for radio frequencies such as 5G eventually.
     
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    I read them too. I've taken a look at a few mentioned in an article from a certain scientific american blogger. Here's an except from his article titled We Have No Reason to Believe 5G Is Safe from October 2019, along with the studies he's referring to (they're linked):
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    The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) recently announced through a press release that the commission will soon reaffirm the radio frequency radiation (RFR) exposure limits that the FCC adopted in the late 1990s. These limits are based upon a behavioral change in rats exposed to microwave radiation and were designed to protect us from short-term heating risks due to RFR exposure.

    Yet, since the FCC adopted these limits based largely on research from the 1980s, the preponderance of peer-reviewed research, more than 500 studies, have found harmful biologic or health effects from exposure to RFR at intensities too low to cause significant heating.
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    No. As noted, it is a function of population density.

    Not only does correlation not imply causation, there is no logical reason to expect this could be true. Low-power EM does not create viruses. Nor is there any conceivable means by which it would promote the spread of a virus.

    There is no reason to give this any credibility whatsoever.
     
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    You aren't considering that it could weaken people's immune systems, thus making the virus more lethal. This is the same argument that has been made in regards to air pollution and Covid 19 and has been taken as probable by many mainstream outlet, as I pointed out in Post #40.
     
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    Have a look at air pollution maps of China. The areas around and south of Beijing and areas in Manchuria have worse air pollution than Wuhan - in many cases much. much worse. In fact, very few places in the world have air quality that consistently bad. Sth Korea has markedly lower air pollution than those areas of China, while Western Europe and the US aren't even close.

    I think it is fair to assume that Beijing & other large cities in the most polluted parts of China are among the 50+ Chinese cities that already have 5G. So, how big were the COVID-19 outbreaks in those cities compared to Wuhan? Should be easy enough to do the comparison.
     
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    And what evidence do you have the 5g can weaken the immune system?

    None.

    It is a ridiculous claim.
     
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    Don't think it'd be that easy. I imagine the guy who did the paper I linked to in the OP put a lot of work into it. He doesn't seem to include China, but I thought that his comparison of where the 5G network was and where the most cases were in New York seemed to show a strong correlation between the 2.
     
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    I haven't had any evidence that it weakens the immune system per se, but there's lots of evidence that RFR within the 5G range, as well as lower RFR ranges damages people, plants and animals. Here's a good except from a Scientific American Blogger:
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    The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) recently announced through a press release that the commission will soon reaffirm the radio frequency radiation (RFR) exposure limits that the FCC adopted in the late 1990s. These limits are based upon a behavioral change in rats exposed to microwave radiation and were designed to protect us from short-term heating risks due to RFR exposure.

    Yet, since the FCC adopted these limits based largely on research from the 1980s, the preponderance of peer-reviewed research, more than 500 studies, have found harmful biologic or health effects from exposure to RFR at intensities too low to cause significant heating.
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    Source: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/
     
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    it would be VERY easy. Either there were big outbreaks in a number of polluted Chinese cities with 5G or there weren't. It is one thing to fudge the body count in Wuhan, but hiding full scale outbreaks elsewhere is impossible. There is a reason why 'the guy who did the paper' left that out. The data you leave out of a study is as important as what you discuss, and he was careful to leave out stuff that might have challenged this thesis.

    In short, he doesn't come close to proving his case, and every time you try to address objections to it you make clear how full of holes this theory is. Believe it if you want, but it is clearly not based on a credible examination of the evidence.
     
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    Yup.

    Its no secret however that some people are sensitive to EM fields and being too close to microwave emitters, inducing increased stress at the very least that can reduce immune system efficiency. It stands to reason that this was a factor in at least a few people losing their battle with Cvirus as a result of 5G. The question is- how many, and is it worth worrying about?

    This question is of course way easier to dismiss than try to find out.
     

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