Study Shows Significant Link Between Mercury and Autism

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    If vaccines cause autism, why are boys 4x more likely to be diagnosed that girls. Do girls not get vaccinated?
     
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    How congress is constantly lobbied by big phama and what protections are legitimate for corporations who carefully follow best practices is a very separate issue.

    In particular, it has nothing at all to do with evaluating whether the vaccines we have are safe or effective. Congress is absolutely NOT a source of science.

    Let's remember that congress supports the total anti-science of homeopathy in favor of carefully protecting a $20 billion industry of pure snake oil.

    Look at how congress has reacted to COVID for another example of total failure in respecting medical science.
     
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    That citation has been repeatedly and rightly DQed.

    That particulare advocate also promotes homeopathy and other nonsense that has NO basis in science That person has NO claim to support for science based medicine.

    The OP appears to ignore every aspect of safe management of mercury exposre as well as ignoring the clear benefits of vaccines.
     
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    could it be the low fat push that increased autism, even low fat milk all replaced fat with sugar

    not to mention all the so called "heart healthy" vegetable oils added to even things like baby formula

    more children are getting cancer than ever before as well, what changed?

    I do not think it is vaccines

    https://foodforthebrain.org/condition/autism/

    "There is much overlap between ADH/hyperactivity and autism, so for autistic children who show signs of hyperactivity, improving blood sugar balance is a must. Dietary studies consistently reveal that hyperactive children eat more sugar than other children4"

    "In any case, when a child is regularly snacking on refined carbohydrates, sweets, chocolate, fizzy drinks, juices and little or no fibre to slow the glucose absorption, the levels of glucose in their blood will seesaw continually and trigger wild fluctuations in their levels of activity, concentration, focus and behaviour. These, of course, will not help any child’s brain function."
     
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    Lobbying in and of itself IS separate from vaccines, or gold mining, or space stations, or anything else, yes.

    BUT lobbying WAS involved in NCVIC, and so in that specific case it IS relevant. Simply put, if the vaccine manufacturers had no worries about liability from their products they would not have needed such legislation. Obviously they DID have worries about the side effects of their products, so they DID lobby, and the government DID give them what they wanted.

    I hope that is not too subtle for comprehension.

    Big Pharma knew full well their products were dangerous, just as Purdue knew that OxyContin was dangerous. They lobbied, and in 1986 Ronald Reagan sealed the deal with his signature.
     
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    I do hope that my inability to comprehend ASP.net and JavaScript was not mercury combined with autism..... but who knows???????
     
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    No, Big Pharma is ALWAYS exposed. They are selling stuff to be ingested and injected. There is a disaster rate for every medication.

    They do have coverage if they follow FDA procedure.

    BUT, the very existence of a population that is willing to say that vaccines cause autism is a risk, as it means they could find themselves in court, attempting present science to a jury of those who are NOT educated in medicine in particular or scinece in general..

    In my opinion, your argument is pretty much circular. The risk of autism you claim would surely justify a lawsuit. Rather that fight these lawsuits of yours, big pharma wants protection. Then, YOU use that desire for protection as evidence of there being an actual risk of autism!!

    The ONLY legitimate approach here is to examine epidemiological studies, drug trial results, etc.

    Pitching the idea that the existence of POLITICAL maneuvers is proof of medical safety issues is not a legitimate approach.

    The epidemiological approach has been taken very seriously, by the way.

    AND, the original paper by Wakefield in the UK (published in The Lancet in 1998) has been totally debunked It was not just wrong - it came from Wakefield having multiple conflicts of interest and manipulating data to obain the outcome he wanted.

    He was banned from ever doing medical science in UK.

    YET, we still have antVax organizations pitching that paper!!!

    What happened to the truth? And, why?
     
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    I can definitely agree to that- it helps explain why some people who aren't vaccinated can still get autism- vaccines are not the only source of mercury and other toxins.
     
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    Alright, so they claim that an average can of tuna fish has 25 micrograms of mercury in it. I haven't gotten that independently verified, but one thing I will say is that I'm not a big fan of canned fish to begin with. Moving on, some claims regarding mercury, mercury in vaccines and the FDA's dubious approval methods for vaccines that I think are worth mentioning:
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    1. Mercury Factoids:
    Mercury is the most toxic non-radioactive element on earth. One scientific FACT most Americans do not know is that aluminum (listed as aluminum phosphate) in vaccines greatly increases the toxicity of mercury (listed as thimerosal), therefore caution about minimum mercury tolerance is severely underestimated. There are 25 mcg in one average flu vaccine, and the EPA safety limit is 5 micrograms, so children who are vaccinated simultaneously with multiple vaccines can receive over 10 times the safety limit of mercury in one day. So, because aluminum phosphate massively increases toxicity of mercury in vaccines, the safety limits set by the CDC and EPA are fundamentally WRONG, as this is not taken into consideration. This present systemic risk in any influenza or infectious disease inoculation has NOT been evaluated, and therefore, no vaccines can be considered safe or effective, until this is resolved. (1)



    Thimerosal’s efficacy was challenged extensively during the first 50 years of use, since the early 1920s, but the American Medical Association (AMA) ran reports snuffing out any concerns with “organomercurials.” They simply lied about assessments, covered up contamination incidents, and what came next was an influx of drug approvals by the FDA, that did NOT require manufacturers to submit any prelicensure safety testing. America would never be the same. Propaganda and cover ups kept thimerosal in popular practice and use, despite all the voices of dissent. Then came the infamous Dr. Jonas Salk, who wildly experimented with different strains of live polio and conducted hazardous field trials, combining strains and creating new strains of polio, all while the “world scientific consensus” announced he cured polio. Even though polio rates had been declining for decades, America fell for it, and now, mercury in vaccines would rarely even be investigated as a cause of so much health detriment, thanks to the fabrications by mass media and “science-based medicine” itself.



    The Biggest Lies and Cover ups in Medical History

    Today, the “DTP” –Diptheria, Tetanus and Polio vaccine, is delivered with five injections–given between 2 and 6 years of age, plus boosters “recommended” every 10 years and it contains formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol and aluminum phosphate, while flu shots contain up to 25,000 times the allowed amount of inorganic mercury in drinking water. Still, flu shots are recommended by nearly every MD in the USA, even for injecting pregnant women and babies. (3) Those same doctors will even administer the whooping cough vaccine and the flu shot AT THE SAME TIME, per the CDC website itself, for pregnant women and their unborn babies, or even injected into the muscle tissue of the baby the day he or she is born.



    Does the CDC mix vaccines with aluminum and mercury in combination? Yes.

    The Diptheria and TetanusToxoid” inoculations have “trace” amounts of MERCURY combined in the SAME VACCINE with ALUMINUM. How potent are “trace amounts” when combined with aluminum phosphate, aluminum sulfate and aluminum hydroxide?

    What’s in the whooping cough vaccine? Aluminum phosphate and formaldehyde. Mix that aluminum phosphate with a flu shot laced with mercury and measure the level (potency) of mercury and see what that does to the central nervous system and the brain. Remember, aluminum makes the vaccine more “powerful.” Western medicine is not interested, though, in running safety tests of this nature, knowing the results, if published, would create panic and loss of faith in this “evidence-based” farce that is taking place, thanks to a “no holds barred” vaccine industry that even has their own court and judges paid for by the “vaccine slush fund” acquired from taxpayer money and vaccine sale profits. (4)



    Per the package inserts, you can find mercury (as thimerosal) in influenza virus vaccines, like Fluluval and Afluria.

    The flu shot called Fluzone also contains mercury in the multi-dose vials. This saves the vaccine industry money and is commonly exported to impoverished and malnourished countries, like in Africa.

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    More at the link below:
    http://www.truthwiki.org/mercury-in-vaccines/
     
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    No, it was treated to an ad hominem attack by DaveBN in post 2, which I pointed out in post 3. DaveBN then quoted part of a more sophisticated smear job from mediabiasfactcheck in post 4 and I quoted part of an article that looked into media bias fact check in post 59:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cury-and-autism.579730/page-3#post-1072122982
     
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    The reason why scientists can't pin down the cause of autism is because the scientific process itself, I believe works on a basis of elimination. Our food, water, environment even our air is polluted... a needle in a haystack. On top of that autism comes in varying levels of severity and types, means people are also affected by pollutants, preservatives & chemicals in different ways...our genes not only have on and off switches but up and down dials.

    Add hormones to this complex mix. The ratio between autistic boys and girls are 1:4 (boys are 4) we also know that oxytocin can be used as treatment for autism and oestrogen promotes oxytocin, consider that perhaps it does not mean the girls are not autistic but the oestrogen helps them to mask it by promoting oxytocin levels It is a very complicated issue, the info above are dated, I haven't read much on it lately but it will be a miracle if they can pin down the exact cause.
     
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    He refuted the BS from the "article" and solved the issue. This topic is comical, and akin to denying the moon landing and pretending the earth isn't round.

    You have zero support from the scientific community.
     
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    I think what you said at the beginning is true- there is no exact cause, but rather, multiple causes and as you say, different types of autism and degrees of it. Getting back to the main subject of the thread, the connection between mercury and autism, have you seen the documentary vaxxed? It caused quite a stir back when it was released. They've now even come out with a second vaxxed documentary, which I've also watched. I'll leave you with the trailer to the first in case you haven't seen it yet:
     
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    Ah, more smear jobs. Anyone can say that an article is "BS" and move along. What takes actual effort is to carefully look at the evidence and then comment on it. It's clear what category you're in.
     
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    I'm not an anti vaxer, I'm most grateful to scientists for finding vaccinations for serious illnesses like polio etc. these people have saved millions of lives. However I am open to exploring whether we're overdoing it.... the vaccinations.
     
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    Fair enough. You may be interested in reading the only woman I know with a PHD in immunology that started to question all the notions regarding the pros of vaccines. It's an inexpensive kindle book on amazon and a fairly short read, but very illuminating. Here's a review of the book from goodreads:
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    The Historical Myths of Vaccination from an Immunologist’s Point of View

    Warning: there is far more science, statistics, and vaccine history than a diehard pro-vaxxer will be able to handle in this recounting of how vaccines actually work opposed to how our immune systems are designed along with some fascinating vaccine historical facts. The book itself lacks a particular focus and reads more like a sampling of a variety of aspects pertaining to vaccines, immunity, and immunology along with Obukhanych’s own personal journey to enlightenment and a deeper dive into the subject matter due to personal concerns. It is however a short enough read, more like a lengthy article that can easily be polished off in a day and is a useful starting point to further research.

    In this short, more than adequately referenced book on the breakdown of vaccination from an immunology stand, one can begin to dismantle many of the vaccine myths the public is fed every day throughout our public health system agencies, politicians and the poorly trained doctors who administer them.

    Obukhanych also uncovers facts about the outright refusal to conduct adequate scientific studies and the sell-your-soul approach that so-called scientists in her field must take if they are to make a living. She offers some alternative treatments to priming the immune system and ensuring its health as well as provides reservoirs of research studies and papers and the links to back them up. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for vaccine ignorance in today’s day and age. Vaccine Illusion is a call to action to further reading on the subject of vaccination. It’s an education you will not get from your doctor or from mainstream media.

    It ultimately comes down to this. How much is your life and the lives of your loved ones worth to you. Do you value human life at all? If so, then this is art of the required reading in order to protect yourself and your vulnerable family members against a system that most definitely does not have your best health or interests at heart.

    BRB Rating: Read It and don't knock it till you do.
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    Source: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13596268-vaccine-illusion
     
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    What takes effort is actually producing peer-reviewed content by the scientific community, and you'd rather call your insanity a "smear" than admit there is no science behind any of what you said. Homeopathy isn't medicine and immunizations don't cause autism, just healthier humans.

    I'm in the science category and you're in the magic and feelings category, of which there is ample evidence.
     
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    Indeed. You might want to go back to the OP for that. I'll quote a bit of it for you and the audience:
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    The controversy over whether mercury overexposure can trigger autism is a long-standing one. A new meta-analysis of previous studies sheds much needed light on the matter, concluding there’s a “significant relationship” between the two.

    The review,1,2 published in the September 2020 issue of Pediatric Health, Medicine and Therapeutics, looked at 18 studies conducted between 1982 and 2019 that examined the relationship between concentrations of copper, lead or mercury in blood, plasma, hair or nails and the prevalence of autism. While no relationship was found between autism and copper concentrations, a high degree of correlation was found for mercury and lead.
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    Now, you can read the entire article from mercola.com, breaking down the review for laymen, of which I am one:
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/13/is-mercury-linked-to-autism.aspx

    Or, if you're up for it, you can go to the review itself:
    https://www.dovepress.com/the-relat...-autism-d-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-PHMT
     
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    So don't let your kids eat the thermostat.
    There is no mercury in childhood vaccines.
     
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    In many countries, you would be right, so long as we're defining children as under 6 months of age. Not in the U.S. though:
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    Many countries restrict use of thimerosal-containing vaccines, or “TCVs” to children older than six months, but in the USA, mercury STILL REMAINS in the majority of influenza vaccines that the CDC, doctors, nurses, pharmacists, hospitals, corporations and public school systems alike push on the unknowing public like candy, and this deadly concoction is dispensed by just about anyone, without even owning a medical license or bothering to read the vaccine insert, that warns you outright NOT to get more than one flu shot in a lifetime. Who knows this?



    How much mercury is REALLY in a flu shot? (5)

    EPA limit for mercury in drinking water: 2 parts per billion (ppb)

    Typical mercury amount found in fish, like whitefish or tuna: 250 – 500 ppb

    Level of mercury in ONE flu shot: 51,000 parts per billion (8)

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    A bit more information on aluminum and mercury:
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    No safe levels have ever been determined for aluminum or mercury in vaccines

    Despite three fourths of a century of use in Western medicine, safety levels for mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde (embalming fluid) have NEVER been determined with any scientific evidence-based research, for animals or humans, much less human babies or pregnant women, though the allopathic community screams that is what they’re all about. Veterinary medicine is just as corrupt as allopathy, if not worse. Neurobehavioral, immunological, and inflammatory reactions to thimerosal and aluminum-based adjuvants are not exceptions or rare incidents, but rather very common. The general public is mostly unaware that billions of dollars have been paid out via the vaccine injury fund to victims of vaccine violence. This is never broadcast on the news, in newspapers or medical journals for fear the vaccine and pharma industries would exact vengeance.

    These health detriment effects are easily detected in low income countries where co-exposure to methylmercury and other neurotoxicants combined with malnourishment show a solid link. (6) Thimerosal used during pregnancy shows the HIGHEST RELATIVE RISK of malformations when compared to other non-mercurial antimicrobials.

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    Full article: http://www.truthwiki.org/mercury-in-vaccines/
     
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    So even if we believe your poorly written article, it states that there is in one vaccine (.5mL =0.0087 pints) the same amount of mercury as in 3-4 days of water consumed (21 pints) or in one small fish. That's wrong anyway as vaccines do not contain thermasol.
     
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    Pharma has HAD protection of torts FROM VACCINES since 1986. I have not read NCVIC, but I'm quite sure it is not limited to autism. There are many other harms suffered by children from vaccines besides autism.

    I don't believe a word Wakefield says, or Fauci. They are both career bureaucrats with vested interests. I do not limit my criticism to personalities. I prefer to look at the big picture.

    If you've been paying attention, you know that RFK and others have brought suit regarding the vaccine Gardasil for HPV. The damage is real, and it's not autism. Broaden your horizons.

    Likely the US judiciary, mostly as corrupt as the other 2 branches, will see to it that the suit will be swept under the rug just as it did the case covered several times by 60 Minutes, Juliana v. US, regarding climate change.
     
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    Boy there is a conspiracy theory without any thought.
    How many ounces of water do you drink every day.
    How many flu shots do you get every day.
     
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    I find that a lot of people will say conspiracy when they don't believe something. It's an easy way to dismiss something, but not very helpful for finding out the truth. Anyway, from the OP:
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    STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    • A September 2020 meta-analysis concludes there is a significant relationship between autism and concentrations of lead and mercury in the body
    • According to the researchers, mercury concentration is a pathogenic cause for autism, meaning it’s a causative factor
    • According to a 2014 review, there is evidence of malfeasance and conflicts of interest in studies claiming that thimerosal in vaccines is safe
    • Serious flaws and errors also plague studies that claim aluminum in vaccines is safe. A mathematical error found in a key FDA study has reignited concerns about the safety of aluminum in vaccines

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    Full article: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/13/is-mercury-linked-to-autism.aspx

    The study wasn't done by mercola.com. They are just bringing it up. If you feel that you have what it takes to fully understand the study itself, feel free to read it, they have a link to it in mercola's page.
     
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    Found a short article from 2009 summarizing an interview with one Dr. Boyd E. Haley on Vaccine Choice Canada that I found to be pretty interesting regarding the connection of mercury and neurotoxicity:
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    Biomarkers supporting mercury toxicity as the major exacerbator of neurological illness…
    APRIL 7, 2009 BY VACCINE CHOICE CANADA

    Interview with Dr. Boyd E. Haley:

    Biomarkers supporting mercury toxicity as the major exacerbator of neurological illness, recent evidence via the urinary porphyrin tests

    In the recent past, several biological finds have supported the hypothesis that early exposure of infants to Thimerosal was the major exacerbation factor in the increase in autism-related disorders since the advent of the mandated vaccine program. These initially included the observations of a genetic susceptibility impairing the excretion of mercury and the increased retention of mercury by autistic children. This was followed by data indicating that autistics have low levels of the natural compound glutathione that is necessary for the bilary excretion of mercury, possibly explaining the genetic susceptibility. Other observations clearly point out that various biochemical processes are inhibited at exceptionally low nanomolar levels of Thimerosal, including the killing of neurons in culture, the inhibition of the enzyme that makes methyl-B12, the inhibition of phagocytosis (the first step in the innate and acquired immune system), the inhibition of nerve growth factor function at levels not cytotoxic, and the negative effect on brain dendritic cells. It is also now quite clear from primate studies that Thimerosal, or more correctly, the ethylmercury from Thimerosal delivers mercury to the brain, and causes brain inorganic mercury levels higher than equal levels of methylmercury.

    The complete interview with Dr. Boyd E. Haley can be downloaded or viewed here: interview with Dr. Boyd E. Haley: Biomarkers supporting mercury toxicity as the major exacerbator of neurological illness, recent evidence via the urinary porphyrin tests [249 KB PDF].

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    Source: https://vaccinechoicecanada.com/vac...he-major-exacerbator-of-neurological-illness/
     
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