Suddenly, Iran is aflame with protest

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  1. Gilos

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    I think the answer will be thru economics, the Palestinians in Judea have it much much better than Gaza, I heard an apartment in Ramallha costs about the same as in Tel Aviv - which is crazy but also very good, ppl dont have to like each other just trade and do business together and the rest will fix itself.
    What puzzles me about him as an Iranian is how can mark us as demons to be destroyed and claim we are aggressors ?? I mean from our view Iran can do what it likes as long as they don't harm us, but from their perspective we need to be "re-arranged"...how can one claim that on another country they got nothing to do with and claim innocence.....that doesn't compute....
     
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    The shift in balance of power means that only then IRAN could force Israel to a solution it sees fit and till that time IRAN is peaceful..., that IS what you are saying, its like a killer in jail plainly saying he would kill again once he is released, while in jail he is peaceful, what am I missing here ?
    As for the "Greater Israel" thing, I swear the only time I heard that term was here in this forum and by some Nazi Jew hating poster, an American btw, I was born and raised in Israel and NEVER did I hear any discussion about what if we conquer Jordan, Iraq and Syria - we are having a hell of a time just to keep the Palestinans in check how the hell can anyone suggest we take on tens on Millions of Arabs more ? seriously this is insane nothing less,
    As for Judea and Samaria, in the 90's it was against the norm to live there at all, it was considered conquered land by most Israelis, since Oslo pretty much failed and the Israeli Left wing was left alone in the world - as European Left got much more radical - Israeli view moved more to the right, former lefties like me dont really care anymore what will happen in the WB, if ppl are crazy enough to live there so be it, they serve as buffer from my concern. and that's a shame really, I think if the "resisting" countries such as IRAN would pull the stick out of their asses and be a bit more constructive to the situation - wonders would happen.
     
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    I'm making an observation, not blaming Palestinians.
    There is absolutely no way Israelis will go for a single state that gives an emerging Palestinian majority the power to end their Jewish state. It's two states or apartheid.
     
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    Three wars in a generation with surrounding Arab states, failed negotiations with the Palestinians after a peace agreement with Egypt, then later following peace with Jordan, and continuing Palestinian posturing around the "Three No's" makes it difficult to negotiate peace. I won't get into the ongoing low-level conflict between the two sides poisoning the situation.

    The tragedy for Palestinians is illustrated by this...

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    If they had been willing to live in peace with the original partition, they could be getting set to celebrate 75 years of statehood.
     
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    With the important caveat none of this is my call, I think Israel should at some point, if an agreed peace seems impossible, act upon Barak's threat when he was defense minister in Netanyahu's government that Israel might set borders and declare a Palestinian state in part of Judea and Samaria.
     
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    I didn't suggest a unitary state, but a confederate one and what you mentioned about an 'emerging Palestinian majority' would have even less impact on the Jewish character of Israel in my proposal than many two-state proposals. In any case, the two-state proposals were frauds from the get go and that agenda is quickly fading. The confederate solution I have mentioned can work, but even that requires an interest in genuine peace. Which is not the interest of those who feel force favors them.
     
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    Do you have modern example where your approach works?
    It was a fraud by whom? The UN when it partitioned Palestine? The Israelis? The Palestinians?
    The problem with your plan is that neither side wants it. Israelis, in particular, will never agree to relinquish sovereignty.

    I think Israel will sooner than later create a protectorate that bears some resemblance to the Geneva Initiative Plan (see below).

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    At this point, the issue is mute and I have mentioned that until there is a substantial change in the balance of power, we won't see any of these solutions even have a remote chance of actually turning into reality including the one I have outlined. The fraud to me is pretending that any proposal would be able to gain not just enough traction to be negotiated, but then implemented, in light of the imbalance of power that exists. Whoever pretends that (including Europeans), is basically defrauding the Palestinians in chasing a mirage. That is my judgment.

    As for any "modern examples", any arrangement were there is limited authority vested to the 'central government' can serve as the model I have in mind. For instance, Germany and France were long time enemies. But they are now partners as part of the EU. I don't mean to imply that either side needs to be defeated in the same manner Germany in WWII, but suggesting that even enemies (under the right conditions) can work together. It is a long term process but a confederate formula along the lines of what I suggested is the only "Western-oriented" formula on the issue that I would accept as being 'principled'.
     
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    Even the status quo is a solution. We're talking which solution.
    The Palestinians are divided and weak. There's no Palestinian government-in-waiting for Europe or anyone else to support.
     
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    Any discussion of Iran without acknowledging their commitment to their revolutionary Jihadist ideals is an exercise in self delusion.

    Just saying.


    The Little Green Book
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    The Little Green Book is a collection of fatawah handed down by the most prominent and arguably one of the most influential Muslim clerics in modern history; the Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Ruhollah Mosavi Khomeini, commonly known as the Ayatollah Khomeini. Fatawah (the plural of fatwah) are Islamic religious decrees sent down by Muslim religious leaders. Since Islam demands that Muslims abide by Sharia - Islamic law as individuals and as a society, these fatawah are not simply religious insights or advice. They are legal pronouncements, and define the law of the land in an Islamic country. In his unrivaled role as Iran's Supreme Leader and the highest-ranking cleric for Shi'a Muslims, the Ayatollah Khomeini's fatawah guided the lives of more Shi'a Muslims than did any other Islamic leader throughout history.

    It would have been damning to Islam if these inane, absurd, and depraved rantings had come from any Muslim, since they would serve as an example of how Islam corrupts a person's mind. Beyond that however, anyone who takes the time to analyze Islam's scriptures and what is recorded in Islam about Muhammad, the man whose life sets the standard to which Muslims are to strive, will see that the Ayatollah Khomeini was not off-base in his Islamic jurisprudence.

    This version of ​
    The Little Green Book​
    , is a translation done by Harold Salemson, whose source was a French translation of the Ayatollah's fatawah compiled by a Persian named Jean-Marie Xaviere. The book is broken up into two volumes. The first volume deals with governing issues, and is so chock full of amazing quotes, we had to give up on trying to highlight the best ones. The second volume focuses on lifestyle guidelines, and tends to be a bit mundane. However, some of the more astoundingly reprehensible whoppers are in this section. Additionally, the emphasis placed on defining even the most miniscule details for a Muslim to follow serve as a tremendous example of how Islam thrives on replacing every last iota of independent thought with mindless servitude. Of course, this should not come as a surprise to anyone, since the religion's name literally means “Submission” (Islam), and its followers refer to themselves as "those who
    submit
    " (Muslims).​

    The Little Green Book is a quick read. Much of it is so absurd, it's quite entertaining. That is, until you realize that this isn't a joke and you remember that billions of people are affected by these fatawah and thousands more like them from multitudes of other Islamic leaders.

    Chapter Pages PDF
    I 1 Islam as a Revolutionary Religion 2
    I 2 Islam and Colonialism 4
    I 3 The Islamic Republic 3
    I 4 The Rule of the Clergy 2
    I 5 The Imam 2
    I 6 Islamic Justice 2
    I 7 Youth 1
    I 8 Media and Propaganda 1
    II 9 On Urinating and Defecating 2
    II 10 On Eating and Drinking 2
    II 11 On Pure and Impure Things 4
    II 12 Purification 4
    II 13 On the Nature of Water 2
    II 14 On Ablution 3
    II 15 On the Five Namaz 3
    II 16 On Prayers in Case of Natural Phenomenon 1
    II 17 On Fasting 2
    II 18 On Woman and Her Periods 3
    II 19 On Marriage, Adultery, and Conjugal Relations 7
    II 20 On Divorce 2
    II 21 On the Mortuary Ritual 2
    II 22 On Finance and Taxes 3
    II 23 Addendum 2
    Entire Book

    http://www.prophetofdoom.net/The_Little_Green_Book.Islam
     
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    If you really wanted to understand the real ideology of Ayatollah Khomeini, there are plenty of scholarly books you could consult to begin your education. As well as the actual books and articles written by Ayatollah Khomeini himself, as opposed to a bunch of quotes and selections from different sermons and works patched together for polemical purposes.

    A good place to start your education would be reading Professor Mottahedeh's Mantle of the Prophet, a book widely acclaimed and even chosen by Foreign Affairs as among the top 75 books written in the 20th century! That would give you some of the intellectual and political history relevant to a genuine understanding of the thoughts of Ayatollah Khomeini, even if polemical accounts make for easier targets to dismiss and shoot down. And it would be a far cry from the drivel you like to cite and rely on for your understanding of issues.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mantle-Prophet-Religion-Politics-Iran/dp/1851686169
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    In terms of his political philosophy, you could read his work entitled: Islamic Government and Guardianship of the Jurist, the English translation of which you could even access on line HERE.

    In terms of an understanding of his own personal philosophy, you could read his collection of poetry and other writings dealing with his attitude on philosophy and the purpose and meaning of life. Including the following which I had referenced before: A Wine of Love, Mystical Poetry of Ayatollah Khomeini

    As for any guidance by any Shia Ayatollah on personal issues, if you really understand Shia religious jurisprudence and methodology, you would understand that within the Shia tradition and in Ayatollah Khomeini's view of these issues as well (and except when any religious guidance is reflected into law as part of the political role of Jurist Guardian (Vali Faqih) represented by the office of the Supreme Leader in Iran's political system, Shia tradition leaves it to the 'faithful' to choose their 'source of emulation' from different Ayatollahs. That while the Guardianship of the Jurist vests certain political roles to the Guardian Jurist ("Supreme Leader of the Revolution" in Iran's constitutional set up) to protect the nature of the government and its revolutionary ideology, except where that political role translates a religious edict into a legal dictate in that system, all religious edicts are binding or not on a personal level based on whether the person issuing it is chosen by any individual person as his/her 'source of emulation'. That while Shia jurisprudence vests the proper interpretation of religious edicts only to trained Ayatollahs and anyone who is 'faithful' to that religious tradition will have to ask (and receive guidance) on religious issues from an Ayatollah and not based on their own reading of 'religion' or 'scripture', that it is their choice which Ayatollah they pick as their source of emulation.

    Don't get me wrong: I am not going to say that everything Ayatollah Khomeini ever said or did was correct or as enlightened or thoughtful as I would like it to be. Nor do I even come from a background that welcomed the religious nature of the government taking power in Iran. But Ayatollah Khomeini actually reflects a far more profound tradition than these silly polemics and while these polemics work with the overwhelming majority of people who aren't at all steeped in understanding either the history or philosophy or ideology at issue, no serious scholar will ever bother with these kind of polemics for any scholarly understanding of issues.
     
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    Thanks for that.

    I am not interested.
     
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    That is your choice. I was just trying to offer you and others a better and more informed reading list than the one you were suggesting for others.
     
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    The 'status quo' is not a 'solution' (if by solution, one is asking for a cessation of actual hostile policies on agreed terms). But continuation of the status quo and where it is leading is indeed an 'option'.

    As for the 'solutions' we are discussing, there is a mountain of false assumptions in everything even you believe on the subject, which in any case isn't all that relevant since the folks who are the actual drivers of the policies affecting the region proceed from an entirely different set of premises, assumptions and interests. I cannot cover all the false assumptions and expose them here for you, but none is as glaring as the idea that any peaceful settlement an be truly achieved which leaves the stronger party less than what it is aspiring to get. The "stronger party' in my analogy would be something akin to a corporate entity which I will call "Zionist Unlimited", composed of several other corporate entities as shareholders, one controlled by a group of Christian evangelical Zionists and military defense contractors and interests, one by some Jewish billionaires working with them, one of them a multi-national western company. A "mediator" tied to one of the companies with shareholding interests in "Zionist Unlimited" might offer things which are at each turn (at least slightly) unacceptable to the Arab/Palestinian side, but even if somehow they accepted it, and even if a true deal could be forged from that conception initially, at the end, that deal would unravel even more quickly and violently than the "nuclear deal" between Iran and the "international community" represented by the P5+1 (US, UK, France, Russia, China plus Germany).

    These deals being offered are mirages and meant to perpetuate a fraud. Even if accepted, they wouldn't be lasting. The real problem lies elsewhere and its solution requires a change in the overall balance of power (military, economic, geopolitical etc).
     
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    The point is that something is going to happen. I've said it before--there are quite literally millions of Israeli Jews and millions of Palestinians living in territory controlled by Israel who personally know no other home and who have nowhere else to go. What will happen to and for these people? Will they any time soon be satisfied living in the same state?
    Well, I think we're even--I don't think you understand what's going on.
    History is filled with examples of the contrary.
    Words without a plan.
     
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    I don't know why you ask this question from me, in the context of what I have said? In my proposal of a Palestinian confederation, unlike all the other proposals I read here, there is no ethnic cleansing or forced relocation of people or anything else. (Not even limited ones which are often part of many 2-state proposals, e.g with regard to settlers etc). People would be living where they are living now.
    I don't know about that at this time. However, since in a confederate format, they aren't really living in the same "state" but more in several states that are cooperating on some issues with one another, I don't think that would be the real, real, problem. The real problem is that there is no way the State of Israel (meaning its leadership, meaning the board of directors of Zionist Unlimited in my analogy, will accept this solution) (see my analogy and discussion below).
    Okay, we are even:)
    In different dynamics maybe, but not in this one.

    Lets go to my analogy for Zionist Unlimited and break it down further to explain how I see things.

    In my analogy, Zionist Unlimited is a corporate entity whose headquarters today are located in New York, although it used to be located in London. Zionist Unlimited has 3 principal corporate shareholders as follows:

    1- The Balfour Company, a corporation whose shares are owned by Ruptures Inc and White Pride Inc.
    These two shareholders are ideologically committed to not just Israel, but a rather aggressive conception of Israel, one (White Pride Inc) composed of the true anti-Semites (such as the British premier, George, behind the "Balfour Declaration"), the other (not always distinguishable from the first, except by extent to 'religious' belief), by Christian Zionists (much like the ideology of most of the cabinet that supported by the Balfour Declaration). The main financiers of the groups which own the shares of the Balfour Company are defense contractors and others who profit from war and imperialist adventures, but the ideology of this group arises from various historical and other matters which are based on the evolution of Western European history and they include many with "old money".

    The Balfour Company owns 40% of the shares in the Zionist Unlimited.

    2- The Rothschild Group, a corporation whose majority shares are owned by Jewish billionaires working with the the Balfour Company and others to promote the economic interests of the group. While this group is fine with the ideological conceptions of the Balfour Company (except the end part of the Rapture ideology), the Rothschild Group is primarily interested to promote the economic interest of the group and is more pragmatic in certain respects.

    The Rothschild Group owns 30% of the shares in Zionist Unlimited.

    3- The Oslo Working Group, a corporation whose principal shares are held by an assortment of multi-national companies (including the Rothschild Group), but which has minority shareholders who represent entities working in favor of Palestinian rights. The board of directors of the group tries to fashion its proposal to find the common denominator that satisfies the different shareholders in the group.

    The Oslo Working Group owns the other 30% of the shares of Zionist Unlimited.

    In my analogy, Zionist Unlimited was sued by 2 separate plaintiffs. First, by the Arab League of States, second the Association of Palestinian Farmers. The Neo-Iranian Foundation, while not a plaintiff, is an organization who activities are also important in these case.

    The case by the Arab League of States has been largely settled, primarily by hostile take-over of the shares of some of the corporate entities behind the Arab League of States, through the fact that the Aramco Group shares are owned by many of the same businesses who own shares in the Oslo Working Group and some of the defense contractors who finance the Balfour Company.

    The case of the Association of the Palestinian Farmers is a strong one, but they will be pleading their case in a court in New York (where the jury pool is stacked against them) and they literally don't have money to finance and prosecute their case. Especially now that the Arab League of State has settled and is no longer helping them. With growing complains by the Association members of even more take-over and encroachment on Palestinian lands without any redress, and heavy marketing of 'settlement proposals' among the farmers, many are being pushed to basically settle their case. As a result, there are divisions with the Association on how to proceed and without the funds to finance their case, their case is even facing dismissal for lack of prosecution.

    The Neo-Iranian Foundation's has tried to help finance the prosecution of the case by the Palestinian Farmers Association and has been encouraging that PFA to not only vigorously prosecute its case, but to increase its demands, while pushing for a change of venue to a more neutral venue than New York. The Neo-Iranian Foundation, however, itself faces a deluge of cases (criminal and civil) filed against it in New York (and other pro Zionist Unlimited venues with the cooperation of biased prosecutors and judges), for the express purpose of keeping the Neo-Iranian Foundation (and its board members) busy with mountains of suits, claims and criminal charges to sap any resources the Neo-Iranian Foundation can spare to assist the Palestinian Farmers Association.

    first got involved in the case against Zionist Unlimited as a friend of the court filing briefs in favor of the Association of Palestinians Farmers appeared in the case in the capacity of a 'friend of the court' (amicus curraie) and wasn't a plaintiff, but as the case proceeded, and faced with various other hostile measures by Zionist Unlimited against it because it was financing the defense of the Palestinian Farmers Association and taking even more aggressive positions in its 'friend of the court' briefs, seeking more in damages than the latter, it has become a major source of concern for Zionist Unlimited.

    There are motions pending on different grounds to prevent its lawsand there are also various 'charges' brought up against the Foundation and its principal shareholders in separate criminal and civil matters being pushed behind the scenes by Zionist Unlimited. Even if they aren't kicked out by these legal maneuvers, their own case is viewed as a weak one (even hopeless given the jury pool) and their primary 'threat' to Zionist Unlimited is that they have funds to finance their legal team too and keep the case alive.

    The above analogy describes how I (more or less) see the cases with regard to Israel/Palestine if I wanted to simplify things. Now, in this context, with the case of the Palestinians facing dismissal for failure to prosecute, the fact that the "Oslo Working Group" sometimes engages in negotiations with them directly (and not as "Zionist Unlimited") to entice them to give up their case, only means 2 things to me: the Oslo Working Group is either trying to deceive the Palestinians so their case is dismissed for lack of prosecution or, alternatively, they are foolish enough to believe that they can sell their proposals to the other board members in Zionist Unlimited. Otherwise, both the Balfour Company and the Rothschild Group are confident that (a) the case by the PFA is going to be dismissed soon for lack of prosecution and (b) if the motion to change venue is not successful, it will fail with the judge assigned to the case and in light of the jury pool, with the worse outcome in actual litigation something like a hung jury. They are, therefore, uninterested in any 'settlement proposals' except as a lure for PFA to not prosecute its case and find the case subject to dismissal with prejudice for lack of prosecution based on one of their motions.
     
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    It's been said often enough - the Palestinians will accept any Jewish offer,
    but only after its been taken off the table.
     
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    I didn't read any of the text after #1.
    The Rothschild's don't appear on the top 1,000 of rich Americans.

    Forget anything with "Zion" in it. Fact is the Jews come from Israel
    and they are not allowed to live elsewhere without anti-Semitism
    rising its head over and over again.
    If Iranians were exiled from Iran for a few thousand years I would
    be only too happy to see them go home to their own land. Same
    for the Jews.
     
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    So? The status of the Rothschilds isn't relevant to my post. This is an analogy, using names which were relevant at the time of the Zionist project, but also names which would give a sense of the interests behind the various groups. Otherwise, there is not Palestinian Farmers Association (or if there is, it isn't the main party to the actual wars and conflicts in the region).

    There are a hundred and one implicit and explicit issues with what you have said that require greater elaboration, but ultimately none of it changes anything regarding what I said.
    In general, you represent the sentiments of the "Christian Zionists". What makes you happy or not shouldn't be as relevant as it in fact is and was during the course of the issues involved in the Zionist movement, the establishment of the State of Israel and what is going on now, including as one of the main support bases for the neocons. But since what 'shouldn't' is the same as 'what is', I have accounted for sentiment such as yours within the "Balfour Company" in my analogy, particularly within the "Rupture Inc." shareholders in that company.
     
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    All the stuff about Balfour, Zionism, Weisman, 1948 war etc is simply not the point.
    The point is the Jews come from what is today Israel. Increasingly in the West, as
    was the case in Nth Africa and Middle East generations ago, there is a rising tide
    of anti-Semitism. Again. So I am happy for the Jews to go back where they came
    from. And if it's Arabs in France or Belgium who are attacking Jews then those
    Jews should go camp in the West Bank.
     
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    Does your solution give either side what they want?

    Israeli Jews overwhelmingly see Israel as a Jewish state. It must, they believe, have a strong military and Jewish sovereignty. Your solution denies them sovereignty, including the promise of Israel as a refugee for Jewish people, and the guarantee of a strong military. Israeli Jews are choosing between a two-state solution, no doubt with a demilitarized Palestine, and one-state that incorporates Judea and Samaria. How non-Israeli Palestinians exist in that single state is problematic.

    Palestinians face continuing the struggle for a single state, negotiating for two states (three states?), or coming to terms with the developing de facto one state existing now.
    How is this situation so different that one side or the other can't accept a solution where they don't get what they want?
    Your analogy is amusing as it identifies some of the factions among Israelis, but it doesn't explain why one side or the other can't accept not getting some of what they want.
    As I said, Israelis are choosing between a demilitarized Palestine and a single state with the future of non-Israeli Palestinians to be decided.
     
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    My favorite along those lines:

    "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." -- Abba Eban following 1973 Geneva Peace Conference.​

    It's approaching a half-century later and the Palestinians are even further away from having a homeland.
     
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    [QUOTE="LangleyMan, post: 1071258460, member: 76487"
    It's approaching a half-century later and the Palestinians are even further away from having a homeland.[/QUOTE]
    They have a homeland, it is called Jordan.
    The queen there is Palestinian. Majority of the population there is Palestinian.
    Even all the west bank leaders including Mahanud Abass carry Jordanian passports.
    Have you seen a leader of a country carrying a passport of a foreign country ? only if he is really part of it.
     
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    Israel would remain as presently constituted in my proposal. The main difference is that its 'sovereignty' would not extend to Jerusalem (which would be an autonomous capital city of the confederation, protecting the rights of all groups equally and being governed otherwise democratically through a popularly elected city council and mayor).
    Again, not really. Israel's immigration policies will be determined by the Israelis, but they can't decide on immigration policies for the rest of the constituent states of the confederation.
    Well, their military strength will be decided based on their own resources and decisions, in line with an agenda that no longer requires them to be serving as an expansionist colonial outpost.
    On the last part of what you mention, no more problematic than what to do with non-Jews living in what is now "Israel proper" when the Zionist project was first conceived and then began its implementation.
    Palestinians have only 2 choices before them: submit to whatever is decided for them. Or work with Iran and the axis of resistance.
    The disparity in power and resources, combined with the agenda involved which defined what the (much) stronger party really wants.

    In my analogy:

    The Board of Directors of Zionist Unlimited Inc. is controlled by board members appointed by the Balfour Company and the Rothschild Group. Their agenda is what matters in terms of what Zionist Unlimited wants.

    The case of brought by the "League of Arab States, Inc" has effectively been settled ever since the "hostile takeover" of the shares of main corporate entities controlling the "League of Arab States".

    The "Palestinian Farmers Association" is basically bankrupt and doesn't have any resources to litigate the case. Their case is facing dismissal for lack of prosecution. Even if the case was pursued, with the limited resources available to the PFA on its own, they wouldn't get anywhere, especially in a venue where the judge and jury pool are favorably disposed to Zionist Unlimited.

    The only 'obstacle' on the path of Zionist Unlimited is really the "neo-Iranian Foundation" which is trying to assist and provide resources to the PFA to litigate its cases and try to move the case to a more neutral venue. Hence, a lot of the focus of Zionist Unlimited has been on the "neo-Iranian Foundation", trying to see if it can implement a 'hostile takeover' of its shares and, in any case, burying the foundation under so many legal challenges and suits that it won't have much resources to offer the PFA.
     
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    There's a third option. Recognize Israel in a deep, fundamental and honest way.
    All things are possible if they did this. As it was, Arafat himself said he would be
    assassinated if he signed onto the full Oslo Accords - by his own people who
    aren't interested in borders, they want their land back, all of it.
     

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