Suddenly, Iran is aflame with protest

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

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    Before you divert the OP's topic from Iran to Israel ( the pro Jihado Islamo Arabos allways do that ), Just small update from
    local news - More than 400 people were brutally killed in the last Persian uprising !
    Thaousands were locked in hidden jails .. tortured .. hidden from their worried families.
    The Persians will be free one day !!
     
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    If Iran is really murdering protesters, they are being incredibly stupid. It doesn't calm a situation down. It emboldens and further outrageous protesters.
     
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    First, none of the labels (pro Jihado, Islamo, Arabo) you have used appeal to me (something I like to address further in due course as an excuse to teach people the actual history of IRAN and the ideology I like to promote). Second, while the number of people killed during the so-called uprising isn't clear (almost certainly not as high as the numbers you present, even if in certain areas in the periphery of the country there were significant number of deaths), those numbers pale in comparison to the numbers who would end up dead if the plans to bring about an implosion and Syrian style civil war in Iran had succeeded. Finally, millions of Iranians (who are part of millions more who have voted for the government and system in power in Iran regularly) showed up in demonstrations all across Iran to denounce the revolts and attempts to fuel unrest in Iran. Those involved in these demonstrations (whose voices were never covered by the media and propaganda you like to promote) have a far greater claim to speaking for the people of IRAN than you or anyone else.
     
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    Iran is calm and nothing of the sort is going on in Iran right now. All of what is being said relates to an obvious effort to bring disorder to Iran, using legitimate (and some no so legitimate) protests as a cover by others to carry out sabotage, terrorism, vandalism, and murder.
     
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    A couple of days ago, there were several hundred people who showed up to protest the fact that the Italian coach of a popular Iranian football club had not been paid his salary and had left as a result. If Iran was at all in any state of emergency or one which was at all doing anything against peaceful protests, these protests would not have been able to take shape either. And no one would be risking their life to protest anything, especially not about the departure of a soccer coach!

    The stories about Iran, even from people who are considered to represent the "liberal media" by some of the posters here, are basically nonsense. They represent the aspirations of those who are trying to bring disorder and an implosion to Iran and not the reality of the situation in Iran.


    https://www.rferl.org/a/angry-socce...test-andrea-stramaccioni-s-exit/30316048.html
    Iranian Soccer Fans Storm Club To Protest Departure Of Italian Coach


    On the saga of this Italian coach's departure from the club, this is his latest Instagram message which he posted (he is no longer in Iran) to explain his departure (his message is in English).


    This piece deals with the larger type of issues that is causing problems for Iranian clubs paying their coaches.
    https://www.euronews.com/2019/12/11...in-iran-are-collateral-damage-to-us-sanctions
    How foreign football coaches in Iran are collateral damage to US sanctions

    p.s.
    I have posted before highlights of the last game with the Italian coach at the helm at Esteghlal Tehran (around 10 days ago) against another Iranian club with 70,000 fans in attendance. The number of fans attending Estghlal's last game yesterday (which the club won 4:1) was somewhat lower, but the lower attendance reflects other factors (lower profile opponent and some fans protesting the club's failure to pay the salary of the Italian coach who had become popular during his short time as coach of Esteghlal) and has nothing to do with the security situation in Iran. Besides Esteghlal, numerous other clubs in Iran across Iran have also played numerous matches in front of tens of thousands of their own spectators.
     
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    Yea but that's long gone, there are cities in those areas now, if the Palestinians still want a country they should focus on what they can get and from who, Israel being the strongest economy around them means they must collaborate and that's something they simply wont do as part of the axis of "resistance".
     
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    20-30 years ago when we still had a strong Left in Israel, what you suggested regarding Jerusalem wasn't that far from what some Leftie Parties suggested, I mean Jerusalem could have been shared - not entirely retreated as you say but it could have been negotiated - but that's NOT what the axis of resistance says is it ? I mean they want Israel as a country destroyed not to support a certain Gov that could have made a change, I don't blame Iran in this, it is a very common agenda among Palestinians as well, my views changed when I realized that their opposition has more to do with vengeance than anything other, ofc we wont share anything that way.
     
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    They are bankrupt because agriculture is bankrupt in these areas, everyone imports from other cheaper places where water is free, to plan a society based on agriculture in a place that has severe land issues and water issues and that will sustain at least a Million ppl is crazy, they need to EVOLVE the old world has DIED a village that sustained 300 ppl on olives cannot sustain their modern pop today, land is a delusion, today its only cities and modern economy.
     
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    You and I will never agree on who is at 'fault' when it comes to the whole Israel/Palestine issue, but let me address a couple points you have mentioned otherwise as follows:

    1- Regarding Iran's position, what I have outlined is something that could easily be accepted by Iran, as long it was part of a 'global' settlement of the hostile policies against Iran. In fact, a similar proposal was made a former commander of Iran's revolutionary guards, and an appointee of Ayatollah Khamenie to Iran's Expediency Council as its secretary, namely Mohsen Rezaie all the way back in 2005 when he was one of the presidential candidates in Iran.

    2- The position of the "left" in Israel on these issues isn't really all that germane. The real driver behind Israel's policies are the groups I have mentioned as the "controlling shareholders" of "Zionist Unlimited". Otherwise, any compromise with the "left" in Israel is akin to a unilateral compromise without any thing given up by Israel in return.
     
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    You are taking my analogy too literally. I have tried to illustrate the dynamics and interests involved. In the context of my analogy, being financially bankrupt affects the ability of a litigant with meritorious case to prosecute his/her case the same way as the Palestinians not having the necessary resources (military power, economic power, etc) to prosecute their claims effectively against Israel.
     
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    They have a homeland, it is called Jordan.
    The queen there is Palestinian. Majority of the population there is Palestinian.
    Even all the west bank leaders including Mahanud Abass carry Jordanian passports.
    Have you seen a leader of a country carrying a passport of a foreign country ? only if he is really part of it.[/QUOTE]

    How can a person that is born in Gaza for example have Jordan as home country? You want push the people out of their home?
     
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    Clearly, the Palestinians aren't at this point prepared to live in peace. The absolute best they're going to get any time soon could be a chunk of the West Bank, a border with Jordan controlled by Israel, and part of East Jerusalem, not including the Old City.

    I can't see them agreeing to live in peace with the best case scenario.
     
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    You're way off base here. Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty that left West Bank Arabs without Jordanian citizenship.
     
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    I was not appealing to you.
    Persians are not Arabs.
    90% of the Persians would love to make peace with Israel .. the other 10% are the ones who kill and torture their brothers in Iran.
     
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    Propaganda, like everything else, can be divided and subdivided, but while some of the propaganda against Iran is ridiculous and meant only to buttress the morale of the ant-Iran camp and to influence the "clueless" majority outside of Iran, others have a slightly more sophisticated audience. This report about the 'protests' in Iran and the recent disturbances in Iraq and Lebanon, is in that latter nature: it is biased, omits mention of significant evidence in opposite of its narrative, but doesn't promote too many outright (easily refutable) falsehoods.

    Partly to illustrate subtle propaganda against Iran even in reports that aren't meant to bombastic and do carry some factual content, as well as to give a slightly more balanced sense of the protests in Iran, I will edit the report posted by the Atlantic Council by taking out statements that lack factual basis and explain those edits in corresponding notes. (The exercise would be almost impossible if we are talking about typical popular media accounts about Iran in the US intended for the 'clueless majority', particularly (but not exclusively) those from the right wing or otherwise avowedly pro Israel media in the US or elsewhere).

    Anyway, my edits are indicated where you find words added in italics in brackets and terms I would delete by changing the text color to light grey, as follows.

    https://atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/i...an-regional-influence-and-internal-stability/
    Rethinking Iranian regional influence and internal stability

     
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    You are simply wrong here.
    Many so called palestinians hold today Jordanian citizenship, including their whole leadership.
     
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    You are simply wrong here.
    Many so called palestinians hold today Jordanian citizenship, including their whole leadership.
     
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    Jordan doesn't want more Palestinians.


    "After Jordan lost the West Bank to Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War, the Palestinians there remained Jordanian citizens until Jordan decided to renounce claims and sever administrative ties with the territory in 1988."


    The point is that typical West Bank Palestinians aren't Jordanians.
     

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