Suppose Obama is of Kenyan birth

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  1. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Everybody has to show BC"s. when they apply for anything, however little known was Hawaii's "Short form", which was abused, mostly by Japanese seeking citizenship. Hawaii and Chicago are the most corrupt places in the US, and he touched on both.
    The short form was taken without question, as being real, and he used it all his life.

    However, now we have a computer generated long form showed to the public. The document exists only in cyberspace, This is a document that would be impossible to forge, and beat forensic study, and a simple, go there and take a picture of it, would have solved everything, dirt cheap and permanent. But he spent lots of taxpayer money to keep from doing that.

    That throws up red flags.
     
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    Oh, I get it now; you haven't kept up. In fact, a biography of Obama said he was born in Kenya. That raised speculation that he was not born in the U.S. as would be required to become President. As a person's racial characteristics are somewhat apparent just by looking at them, and Obama does appear to be of African origin, asking for his birth certificate would seem to have the obvious objective of determining his place of birth. His delay and seeming reluctance to provide it only added to the question.

    I have to assume by your confused explanation of what was meant by "closet" that you ascribe to the lie that Trump and all of his supporters are racists. Could you please provide evidence of that? Please provide EXACT examples of racisim on Trump's part or my part. Oh, Trump did not say that all Mexicans were criminals, he said that criminals were coming here with the rest of the flood.
     
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    Liberals use cultural-marxism, always changing the meaning and definition of words to further their radical leftist political agenda.
     
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    Quote where I said that all his supporters are racists.

    That Trump is a racist.... sure. Birtherism is definite proof.

    Here's a partial compilation for you.

    READ: I don't have the time or the stomach to go through them to point out to you which are and are not outright remarks or actions. In some of them he tries to prove that he's not a racist. But there are plenty of examples included of unequivocal racism.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/every-moment-donald-trumps-long-complicated-history-race
     
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    That makes one of us.
    Please, you have no idea.
    Actually the law doesn't take action at all.
    Non sequitur, obviously, since no direction is needed, other than common sense.
     
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    Nothing could have more profoundly demonstrated your complete dearth of understanding than that statement right there.
     
  7. yguy

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    An understandable sentiment, coming from one who understands nothing of and cares nothing for the rule of law.
     
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    Nonsensei436 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This from the guy insisting action would be taken that is not written in the law.

    You don’t understand. I know it can be hard sometimes, but you need to focus. What is written in the law and how the law behaves has only a passing relationship with what you would consider common sense.

    I guarantee you that in this fictitious scenario, nothing would be done because of the lack of precedent and the lack of laws explicitly stating what action would be taken.

    The law, at best, says that someone can not become president if they are not a natural born citizen. It does not say what to do if hat person is retroactively discovered to have not been president, years after he was out of office.

    No law, no action. Super simple.
     
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    If it were exposed I think the repercussions would be tremendous.
    While I don't know what legal action can be taken, it would certainly disrupt things for a while, world wide.
    I think this is the reason a cap was put on it. National security.
     
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    No, this from the guy insisting that action should be taken according to the law.
    Always amusing when those who need instruction presume to condescend. :smile:
    More to the point, people like you will not have it otherwise, which is why you need to be politically disempowered.
    Please, if nothing were done it would be for fear of rioting by those in whom Obama and his ilk have so diligently cultivated a sense of entitlement.
     
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    No, his mother was an American citizen, thus Obama would be too. My oldest son and daughter were born in Thailand, but because I'm an American citizen, they are too. The same would apply to Obama even if he was born abroad. That is good enough for me.

    Now there has been some debate exactly what the phrase, "Natural born citizen," in the constitution means. Most take it to mean born a citizen and not naturalized into citizenship. Although some believe it means being born within the boundaries of the United States itself. I believe the former, not the latter. We have had candidates for president not born within the boundaries of the United States. Goldwater, born in what was then the Arizona Territory, McCain born in Panama. Mitt Romney's father, George, ran for the Republican nomination. He lost, he was born in Mexico. But all had parents who were American citizens.

    Even if someone, another citizen of another country were to become president, there is no way to revoke or annul anything he did. I suppose that would be left to congress and whomever the new president was to pass legislation revoking whatever was done during that tenure.
     
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    Neither is there any need, since everything he did was illegal ab initio.
     
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    Ted Cruz was born in Canada and John McCain was born in Panama and they ran for president.
     
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    It’s hard not to be condescending towards someone who is being willfully ignorant AND sculpting out the parts of my post that they absolutely do not have the capability of responding to.

    THE LAW SAYS NOTHING ABOUT GOING BACK AND UNDOING A PRESIDENCY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES END OF STORY.

    You know I’m right, you just don’t want to let go of your Obama hating fanfic scenario.

    It’s too late! He was already president! You can’t go back and retroactively undo him. You’re just going to have to live with it.
     
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    What that has to do with yours truly is a mystery, of course; but if that's what floats your boat, go for it, and see where it gets you. :smile:
    More accurately, I'm ignoring repetitive drivel I've already responded to.
    Actually what I know is precisely the opposite.
    :yawn:
     
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    Suppose Obama is of Kenyan birth
    This whole topic is somewhat sick; and certainly sickening, to continue with even after the man has vacated the Oval Office. Talk about beating a dead horse! :deadhorse: You guys are exhausting.
     

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