Supreme Court alerted to 'new evidence' on Census citizenship question

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sco...census-citizenship-question/story?id=63386980

    Here's the story: A Republican consultant died and his daughter found thousands of documents that help prove that the Trump administration lied, under oath, about the census question and that the census question is designed to rig elections for white republicans.

    Now the Supreme Court has been alerted to that new evidence, evidence that funny enough supports the Trump administration's argument that the Census Question is designed to enforce the Voting Rights Act, although they forgot to mention that they wanted to enforce the Voting Rights Act as a weapon against minorities.

     
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    I don't think the five "conservative" Justices would see anything unconst in using the voting rights act to disadvantage minority voters.

    I doubt they even think the voting rights act is constitutional, but that's another can of worms
     
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    From your article: "
    A Justice Department spokeswoman said Hofeller’s work played no role in the administration’s decision to pursue a citizenship question. “These eleventh-hour allegations by the plaintiffs, including an accusation of dishonesty against a senior Department of Justice official, are false,” the spokeswoman said.

    “These unfounded allegations are an unfortunate last-ditch effort to derail the Supreme Court’s consideration of this case,” she said, noting the Department would formally respond to the court next week."

    Sounds like more desperation from the left.
     
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    Yeah, desperate to pad their representation in Congress and the Electoral College.

    Power above all...
     
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    That is indeed the reason for the citizenship question.
     
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    well yeah...citizens should be the ones voting, and being represented in Congress. The real question is why are the dems so desperate to keep that from happening? Is the party that out of touch with citizens? guess so
     
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    The reason for the citizenship question is to get an accurate count of the citizens in this country and apportion seats in Congress, etc., accordingly. That's why Democrats don't want the question on the census and are making up lame excuses why it shouldn't be included.
     
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    You’re a racist for pointing out the obvious.
     
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    The OP is explicitly about the proof that your justification, and the one offered by the Trump administration, was a lie made under oath.
     
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    I quoted the article in your OP where the DOJ responded to that desperate pleading by the ACLU.
     
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    The left: Making sure only US citizens vote in US elections is rigging elections for white republicans.

    What a moronic concept.
     
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    The DOJ correctly called out this desperate attempt by the left....but really some of the articles by cited in the OP take it to another level,...racism? hahaha the left is just so desperate and sad
     
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    A naked denial from the DOJ spokesperson is not sufficient grounds, especially a DOJ representing this administration, to dismiss hard and factual evidence submitted to the court.

    And yes, racism is the correct allegation. Asking the question does nothing except to suppress minority responsiveness rates. The Government is charged by US Constitution with counting every resident in the country.
     
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    You have the report written for you by a Republican Consultant on why asking that question would benefit White Republicans.

    That is not a leftist conclusion, that is a hardcore right wing conclusion.
     
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    I have basic logic that tells me asking if you're a US citizen shouldn't affect the vote at all.

    Please explain how a question that asks if you're a US citizen only helps white Republicans, when only US citizens are allowed to vote at all.
     
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    The violent leftists have been caught holding so many smoking guns the last 2 years its surprising that they are one ones that want the 2nd amendment repealed.
     
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    How do you know it's factual? You should know that a pleading isn't evidence or proof of anything. It's simply a pleading. Given how desperate the left has been over the past two years, and on the eve of a ruling by the Court on this case, it smells of pure desperation

    How in the world does a voluntary question suppress minorities? It's are you a citizen...yes or no...nothing more.

    and yes the census can count every resident, and every citizen....it's used to count a lot of things, like homeownership...race, ages, numbers in households etc.
     
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    That's a cute, but wholly irrelevant and inaccurate, slogan.
     
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    Explain how inquiry about legal citizenship serve to suppress the responses of minority individuals?. Demonstrate such rather than merely claiming such to be the case.
     
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    The census is not designed to evaluate how many voters are located in a given area though, is it? After all, the census also wants to count minors as well.

    And that is because the Census is designed to evaluate how many people reside in that area. The US Constitution demands that Congress count the number of RESIDENTS in the country every 10 years. All voters are residents, but not all residents are voters.

    Similarly, the allegation is not that asking the question will only help white Republicans. The allegation is that asking the question is DESIGNED to help white republicans. And the reason - as explained to you by Dr. Thomas Hofeller - is because individuals who are not citizens, or who have family members that are not citizens, will be dissuaded from answering the Census. And those individuals are overwhelmingly not white Republicans.
     
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    The Census Bureau estimates that asking the question will yield roughly 6.5 million fewer responses.

    Minorities are more likely to either be, or be family members of, illegal citizens. Those minorities are thus dissuaded from answering the census for fear that they, or their family members, will draw the attention and enforcement action against themselves or their families. Those individuals, in turn, will not be counted.

    I supplied several links in the OP that go into the explanation in much greater detail. Here is one such passage:

     
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    Let me ask again.

    How does dissuading people from answering the census, who shouldn't be here anyway, help white Republicans.
     
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    Good luck, Legal isn't going to answer it.
     
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    I know, that's what makes it so fun.
     
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    It's actually relevant and accurate slogan.
     

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