Supreme Court rebuffs state bids to cut Planned Parenthood funds

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  1. rahl

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    but you can't ban sex between 2 consenting adults. You are prevented from doing so, by the US constitution.
     
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    lol, this is one of the most pathetic dodges I've ever seen.
     
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    Or you know the explaination will come down to some Christofascist Biblical bullshit and don’t want to admit it.

    There is no practical difference between the two, but you want to blatantly violate equal protection under the law because one subjectively bothers you even though it harms no one and violates no one’s rights.
     
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    In theory we could

    But not as long as 6 unelected people say no
     
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    Not only Christians object to homosexuality

    Not even the godless anti Christian soviet union allowed homosexuality
     
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    no, you couldn't. The constitution doesn't allow you to.

    the constitution says no.
     
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    Not without blatantly violating equal protection.

    You are saying “I want to make these acts illegal...but only for this one group of people I personally hate”. That’s totally against equal protection and thus is unconstitutional.
     
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    neither of which have any relevance to rights under the constitution. You can't take away someones rights, because you think they are "icky".
     
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    Yeah, conservatives everywhere hate freedom. We’ve noticed.

    But YOUR reasoning boils down to Christofascistic bullshit.
     
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    Sure we can

    Isnt sex with animals icky to you?
     
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    no, you can't. the constitution doesn't allow you to.

    Can an animal consent to sex, like an adult can?
     
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    Animals can’t consent. Why do you keep thinking consensual sex between adults and the rape of an animal are the same things?

    God I hope you don’t have pets.
     
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    They can if at least 5 unelected demigods on the supreme court say they can

    And if you disagree go pound sand becaise your opinion no longer counts
     
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    No they can’t because it’s demonstrable fact that animals can’t consent. No court is ever going to rule that they can.

    Seriously, how many times have you confused your dog with a consenting adult since you can’t tell the difference between rape and consensual sex? I have a morbid curiosity about this.
     
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    :) Guess they have something in common :)
     
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    Yes

    But that simularity is nothing to be ashamed of

    The old soviet union had many laws common to every society in the world
     
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    Yes, common to the world dominated by social conservatives who hate individual freedoms.
     
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    So you are saying the legislature can deny funding?
     
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    congress can appropriate, or discontinue funding for anything they wish.
     
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    I dont need "stats" when certain states wanted PP to uphold surgical standards PP claimed foul and sued and you championed them...

    You need stats to say hospitals take better care of their patients then PP??? Are you not a nurse???
     
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    It seems to me that there are many different federal districts, each run by a different prosecutor, in many (if not most) cases this guy is a trump appointee. Any one of these trump appointees could investigate and prosecute crimes. In the situation where numerous trump appointees universally decline to follow up prosecution.... it seems to me that there must be a reason beyond “the justice system has been politicized”
     
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    And state legislatures?

    "Federal law gives states substantial discretion to administer Medicaid programs but establishes guidelines for receiving matching federal dollars. The Health and Human Services secretary may withhold funds from states that don’t comply.

    One federal requirement is that Medicaid patients may obtain care from any provider “qualified to perform the service or services required.” The law does not define “qualified,” and states can exclude providers “for any reason . . . authorized by state law.” States must also provide an administrative appeal and judicial review for excluded providers.


    But Planned Parenthood has leapfrogged state adjudication by recruiting plaintiffs to sue in federal court to vindicate their putative right to their preferred provider. Five appellate courts including the Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Ninth and Tenth Circuits have recognized a private right of action while the Eighth has not......

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    Federal law gives states substantial discretion to administer Medicaid programs but establishes guidelines for receiving matching federal dollars. The Health and Human Services secretary may withhold funds from states that don’t comply.

    One federal requirement is that Medicaid patients may obtain care from any provider “qualified to perform the service or services required.” The law does not define “qualified,” and states can exclude providers “for any reason . . . authorized by state law.” States must also provide an administrative appeal and judicial review for excluded providers.


    But Planned Parenthood has leapfrogged state adjudication by recruiting plaintiffs to sue in federal court to vindicate their putative right to their preferred provider. Five appellate courts including the Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Ninth and Tenth Circuits have recognized a private right of action while the Eighth has not.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-the-supreme-courts-dodge-11544659276

    So if state law says no Medicaid funding for any organization to provides for elective abortions....................
     
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    no, they have no say in federal programs.






    they will still be providing Medicaid funding for those organizations.
     
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    It is a state/federal program with state money involved. See bolded above.
     
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    Conservatives dont hate freedom when its exercised responsibibly

    Homosexuality is not a desirable habit
     

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