Supreme Court says it will consider Louisiana abortion access law

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Do you read any of the posts you respond to?

    I posted : ""There are HUMAN surrogates available....It is common knowledge....""""""


    And THAT does NOT remove a women's right to bodily autonomy.....
     
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    I mean exactly what it says. Individuals can get an abortion. The state cannot. The state can only perform or financially provide abortion for others. I oppose it doing either. Not sure how to make it any clearer... maybe I dont understand what it is you're getting at?
     
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  3. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    I am saying that instead of killing the unwanted baby transfer it to the ape. Keeping the unwanted baby alive. The baby neither parent wants
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Do you read any of the posts you respond to?

    I posted : ""There are HUMAN surrogates available....It is common knowledge....""""""


    And THAT does NOT remove a women's right to bodily autonomy.....





    GoodGAWD! And some posters wonder why I use colors and large letters !


    Have you looked up "HUMAN surrogate" yet? Doesn't look like it.

    Do you know what it is???


    WHY would a human fetus be placed in an ape when it could be placed in a HUMAN??

    Explain your "reasoning" for that...


    This is the 21st century....and they have been using human surrogates since the 20th century....and we have computers now and drones and electricity and we don't use sticks to make fire.

     
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    Holly crap why would an unwanted baby be put in an expensive seregot human when you could do it free in an ape? Or in a lab grown womb?

    Why would someone who is already pregnant and healthy have another woman seregot the baby she does not want only to end up paying thousands of dollars to put it up for adoption when it would be cheaper to have an animal or lab grown womb do it?
     
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    I have no idea what a " seregot " is.

    But yes, WHY would a woman put an UNWANTED fetus anywhere?






    Why would it be free to put it in an ape?

    They do that for WANTED fetuses.....why would they do it for UNwanted fetuses?



    She wouldn't, she'd have an abortion :)

    Or she could gestate it and then give it up for adoption ( which costs her NOTHING although the pregnancy will cost a lot).


    Animals cannot grow human fetuses...and it is NOT cheaper to have it grown in a lab.




    BTW, the word is S U R R O G A T E ...


    YOU have changed from : ""What if there are complications for the couple or other issues where this would allow them to have the bio kids they always wanted?"""
     
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    So how do you think that people should get abortions?

    Which would be private if it's not state, right?
     
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    Like any other legal medical procedure....why would it be any different?
     
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    By paying someone to do it for them.

    Yes.
     
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    How does the state provide abortion?
     
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    If the state were to pay for someones abortion, that would be the state providing abortion.
     
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    Because of the oath to do no harm and by performing an abortion they are doing harm the the baby.
     
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    That concept goes back to the Hippocratic Oath.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    "They" are not harming a baby.


    What oath are you talking about....there are lots of them, they have changed over the years and doctors are not required to take an oath.


    :) Have you changed your mind on,"" save money, have an ape gestate your baby"" ? LOL!
     
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    The Hippocratic oath has had many variations and doctors are not required to take it.


    And the part about "do no harm" refers to their patients, the women ...
     
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    You said, "the state can only perform or financially provide abortion for others. I oppose it doing either." You said "performing" not providing.
     
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    I said perform or provide. The state could perform abortions. Not legally (yet), but that hasn't stopped it before.
     
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    To me financially provide is different to provide.

    How?
     
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    fair enuff I guess. I don't see a meaningful difference.


    Potentially, with enough votes, they'll just make it another medical procedure available at any hospital, covered by subsidized health insurance.

    I hope they don't. I see abortion, currently as none of my business (since I don't participate in it). Paying for it would make it demonstrably 'my business'.
     
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    Well I could either provide someone with food or provide financially for them so that they can buy food for themselves. See?

    Any STATE hospital or any hospital state or private?

    Is murder any of your business if it doesn't involve you or anyone that you know?
     
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    Time (or) Labor=Money. Whether you make it for them instead of doing something else, buy it for them instead of buying something else, or give them the money instead of buying something else, doesn't really matter in the end.


    Any hospital or clinic that provides the service in exchange for money that the gov't got by taxing me.



    Murder is not an adequate term to address abortion. Murder is unlawful killing. Abortion is not unlawful. What I presume you mean is wrongful killing or unjustified killing. Which imo abortion most often is. However, its not my business because I cannot be aborted. Neither can anyone I know.
     
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    Actually I didn't mean "make it for them." I meant just give them something that has already been made like a chocolate bar.

    Isn't ALL medical practice, including private, part of the state's health system?

    I'm not talking about abortion. Is murder any of your business if it doesn't involve you or anyone that you know?
     
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    I don't see how a small family doctor's office, for example, would be considered part of the state.

    Not realistically. When I hear about murder of a stranger, I don't have anything to do with it beyond feeling sorry for the person who died prematurely.
     
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    Not PART of the state, but it is part of the health system isn't it?

    So then why do you think that murder should be illegal if it's none of your business?
     

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