SUV plows down Wisconsin Christmas parade as children watch in horror

The report I read said that police saw him speeding towards the barriers and fired multiple shots at him. They quit shooting when he got too close to the crowd so they wouldn't hit people unintended with the shots.

 

There were at least FIVE PAGES of information I'm sure even the most reluctant to facts could harvest one or two So'k I understand love of country and I know YOU DO TOO!

 

If it had been the other way around, do you think there would be any hesitation on charging the perp? Answer honestly now. He's written about running people over, he's written about attacking White people. He's a bonafide racist and used the opportunity to kill.

 

. . . but that's exactly what you are saying.

I have no "tribe" and I apply the same judgement to both sides. The only time I have EVER attributed racial motive to a crime is if racial slurs were used during the commission of the crime or the perpetrator admitted that their motives were racist. The only time I have EVER attributed political motive to a crime is when the perpetrator admitted their motives were political. The only time I have EVER attributed religious motives to a crime is when the perpetrator admitted their motives were religious.

The only time I have EVER attributed racial motive to a crime is if racial slurs were used during the commission of the crime or the perpetrator admitted that their motives were racist. The only time I have EVER attributed political motive to a crime is when the perpetrator admitted their motives were political. The only time I have EVER attributed religious motives to a crime is when the perpetrator admitted their motives were religious. That's how you do non-hypocrisy. You've admitted to having a double standard. It isn't one I share.

 

Again, fleeing doesn't necessarily mean flooring it. That's you assuming this.

If you want to make out scenario, how about this:

"He argued with someone, left that scene before the cops showed up. He was raging, since his own online posted rants shows that he couldn't control his emotion well, drove a bit and then saw a parade, the vast majority being white people being happy and having fun. Since he already has an history of vehicular agression, and since, again with is online posting and his rap music shows that he despised white people and blames them for all that is happening, he decided to make them the recipients of his rage".

Is that better than just fleeing a scene while not being pursued by anybody and being able to take any street to get away or backing out of one, he just decided to go to that specific street and forgot he could break or turn away...

 

Has he been charged with terrorism?

Right wingers told me an act only counts as what you are accusing them of if they have been charged with that specific act.

 

Yes, but that doesn't explain what got him there. The whole fleeing thing is weird since there was nobody chasing after him.

 

Nope, but I was curious about Australia's success of

Clearly the U.S has it's own problem citizen just as Australia does. The link I provided has some very unique penalty programs and I was simply asking someone that lives there and see's these programs first hand how and are they working. Again the link I provided has MANY pages of Australis's approach to undesirables past and present...

So if you would?

 

Err, no!
I'm saying we should assign the same possible motive to ALL people who's crime CAN be racially motivated. I won't immediatly say that a black guy crime isn't racially motivated when there's reason to believe it is, or do the same for a white. In the case of this particular crime, the guy has a history of ranting about whites online and in his music. And we're only a couple of days away from an event many consider an injustice toward BLM.

 

If you aren't categorically saying that it was or wasn't racially motivated, and are instead waiting for more evidence, then why are you debating someone who is saying THE EXACT SAME DAMNED THING?

 

It can be a racial crime without being terrorism. Only if he did it for a political motive does it become terrorism.

 

Merry Christmas and happy HAPPY new year

 

In the case of this perp. it is unfortunate that Wisconsin does not have the death penalty. Keeping him alive is a waste of food and human resources.

 

No, I'm saying that until it is disproven race CAN be the motive and should be investigate seriously, especially since the guy has an history of it.

 

I've heard the death penalty is, on the whole, more expensive than life in prison, but I'd need to double check that. I personally think that some people deserve to die for their actions (this guy at the top of such a list), but I don't have enough faith in the government to trust them with that power, especially seeing all of the trials that have been botched with innocent people being put on death row.

 

And can you quote me saying it shouldn't be investigated at all? You keep accusing me of hypocrisy, but so far it looks like you can't actually find anything we disagree on.

 

You've being working real hard to drop it as a motive... I can only go by what your saying, not what your thinking.
You're also fast with the "hypocrisy" accusation so how about we both drop it from the conversation?

 

He has already already been charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide + a slew of other charges. He is going away for good.

The other way round, aka a white guy driving into black parade? No, I think the charge would have been same. No hesitation.

What are you asking? You think they would have hesitated charging a white guy? This seems very clear-cut, so maybe I am not understanding your question.

Criminals typically want to get away from the crime scene ASAP.

I am not assuming because there is video evidence of him flooring it. The whole incident is about him flooring it. He floored it, and his car became the murder weapon, and he killed 5 people.

I am not here trying to change your mind. If you think it was a racial hate crime, then so be it. He is a killer who will get life sentence either way.

 

I encourage you to read the thread, because that is categorically untrue. All I've said is that SO FAR we can't establish that this crime was racially motivated. THAT'S ****ING IT. I've openly said, more than once, that additional evidence can change my mind.

On what planet is it "working real hard to drop" something to simply ask for evidence before believing it? That's insane.

Fine by me.

 

Remember when the left would say the hideous cost in jobs and rising healthcare expenses of enacting obamacare were justified if they saved just one life? Saved just one life. That was a term the left used a lot back then but completely backed away from using it when we pointed out to them we could save a lot more than just one life by keeping illegals and potential muslim terrorists out of the country.

Anyway, the left has gone from 'if it just saves one life' to 'we'll knowingly sacrifice lives in order to move our agenda along.'

 

Well, we can sure as hell put it at the forefront of the investigation, just like we do when a white person (or latino, or asian etc) with an history of racial hatred online does something. We don't just say, "well we can't talk about this crime being racially motivated because it makes us uncomfortable, lets look as if it was everything else for now"...

 

I'm looking all over the thread. I can't find anyone here on PF, or really anywhere else on my social media, saying that this shouldn't be investigated as a motive. I can't find anyone saying anything remotely close to what you have there between your quotation marks. Anywhere. Can you actually quote anyone saying anything remotely similar to what you have there? Like a real quote?

 

This is where you look up the names of the 40+ other victims and find pictures of them too... Are you unable to do any grunt work??

Damn near all of them are white, as Waukesha is a very pasty-white community.

 

I've listed other victims, who certainly seem to be non-white. So far I've done more grunt work than you have.

Just a reminder: I doubt that Jessalyn Torres, Romelia Perez, and Camila Perez were all white.

 

I actually don't think the death penalty applies here even it he was in a state that had it. The act seemed to be spontaneously emotional, not planned. Almost all his crimes seem to be based on emotion of the moment.