Sweden is Not a Socialist Success

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would rather have corporations that cared about their employees and customers, a corporation that was patriotic and cared about America and the American workers

    profit is good, obscene profits at the cost of society and the American people is bad
     
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    That tells me nothing. I'd like puppies to live forever and snow all year round.

    Can't you at least try to outline how you'd effect such a miracle?
     
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    I do not think I can explain it to some on the right, they do not care about the working class, they want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, trickle down economics is like a religion to them

    we need to reduce foreign outsourcing and foreign imports...
     
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    What does that have to do with our little Lefty chat? I'm your friendly local Commie, remember. You can tell me your secrets.
     
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    I thought you were American, did not know you were a Commie
     
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    I'm not American, and I sure as heck ain't a Righty!

    As for the other thing .. I was once a paid up member of the old C party, in my yooth. Those days are long gone, but I remain a socialist. Probably will for life, since I've yet to find anything better (for humanity and the planet) than self-sufficient collectivism.
     
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    So anyway, what about your plan to make Coorporatists all huggy?
     
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    "Trickle-down" is a defamatory term that misrepresents the character of voluntary exchange and rests on the false premise of the market being a zero sum game.

    Additionally, it is not true that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer". That is a political cliché that should have been retired more than a century ago. What we are actually seeing is that everyone is getting richer. Only a couple of decades ago, car-phones was considered a luxury, a product only enjoyed by the very rich for them to show off to demonstrate their status. Today, even a waitress can afford a smartphone.

    No. We need to increase trade on all fronts.
     
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    Reading out this sentence made my Ayn Rand books fall down from their cosy spot in the book-shelf and filled my individualist eyes with tears of pain. :D
     
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    trickle down means giving the rish huge tax cuts hoping they will trickle down

    the truth is giving the tax cuts to the bottom 50% is much better for the economy as when the people have money to spend, the rich will create jobs to get that money - when you give the tax cuts to the rich, their bank accounts just get bigger
     
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    Hard to give tax cuts to the bottom 50% since they don't pay federal income tax.
     
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    let's say give the tax cuts to only those making 250k or less, we are not talking about the poor that make so little they can't afford to pay taxes

    the rich would also get the tax cut, but the cut would only effect the first 250k earned
     
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    This is based on nothing but envy. In the real world, someone gets rich because they make others better off.

    Keynesians. Bloody Keynesians. :no:
     
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    trickle down is not done because of envy, it's done because of greed and lack of caring for the working class
     
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    Sorry Ritz! You'll be happy to know our kids are individualists like yourself. It's only the Old man and myself who cling to the old ways. Seriously though, we've travelled alot, come from two different cultures, and look ahead often (the parent trap!). The sum of all of that is an awareness that we won't survive unless far more of us give up the decadence of 'privacy', and rampant consumerism.
     
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    In which case, how do you expect to ensure that the big earners keep earning big (and therefore funding the luxuries of your First World existence)? As soon as you penalise people for earning more, they'll stop earning more. It simply won't be worth the effort.
     
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    so your saying your against giving tax cuts for the first 250k earned and think the rich will stop wanting to earn if they don't also get a super mega tax cut on top of that 250k?

    giving tax cuts to the first 250k is not penalizing the rich, it's helping the middle class
     
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    Why do you expect random strangers to 'care' for the working classes, but not their own family and friends?
     
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    I said nothing at all about 'super mega tax cuts' (whatever that is). I'm asking why earning more should be penalised above and beyond the standard.
     
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    a tax cuts for the first 250k is not penalizing the rich, it's helping the middle class

    the rich in fact get the entire tax cut as they made over 250k, someone making 50k only gets it on 50k
     
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    We should all be subject to the same taxes. Period. I would up it across the board of course, because I'm a Commie Bustard, but I'd still require it to be consistent. Those at the bottom who don't like that arrangement, would be free to join the big earners at any time.
     
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    the rich get that same tax cut, not sure what your talking about, they would et a tax cuts on their first 250k, same as every other American

    why is a commie posting here about our tax cuts.... is that why you want the rich to get bigger tax cuts, you think it will hurt America?

    "Those at the bottom who don't like that arrangement, would be free to join the big earners at any time"

    oh geesh.... really
     
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    Again .. I have said NOTHING about tax cuts!

    I said that if I was King of the World, I would standardise taxes across the board (and increase them .. across the board - to ensure everyone gets high quality healthcare and education - the ultimate level playing field). I would not penalise people for earning more by increasing their tax rate beyond the standard.

    And yes, a COMMIE said - if you don't like being poor, be rich. That's the beauty of a First World Capitalist Democracy. We're all free to change our lives according to our lights. PS I'm sensing you have some odd ideas about communism.
     
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    we were talking about tax cuts, did you forget?
     
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    You might be, I am not :)
     

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