Sweden: now a violent muslim country

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Anders Hoveland, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the problem with statistics isn't it - unrelated trends. Over the same period there could have been an increase in the proportion of people drinking espresso but it doesn't mean there's a cause and effect.
     
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    There are ways of providing more evidence, though, and I'm happy to do any and all of them if people would like. I rather enjoy numbers.

    Here are some potential methods:

    1) Comparing other European countries based on muslim population growth and violent crime trends.
    2) Comparing Sweden's relative crime rate with other European countries, between 1975 and 2010.
    3) Postulating potential causations to explain this correlation, and checking those.
    3a) Muslims are biologically more violent.
    3b) Muslims are sociologically more violent.
    3c) Muslims don't consider it violence.
    4) Postulating other potential correlations, and checking those.
    4a) Population density.
    4b) Increased posession of handguns.
    4c) Decreased posession of handguns.
    4d) Lower socioeconomic level.

    There are others, but those are what I would consider the best methods for pursuing the claim further. The more correlated the data, the more likely the hypothesis.

    For example, if there was a decrease in handgun ownership until 1995, with it roughly leveling off, then decreasing again in 2004, it would be more likely to be the cause of the changes, since it correlates more precisely, though just as accurately.
     
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    The same all over Europe. The way America is crying for more immigrants and Obama has already brought in a questionable amount of refugees which are still flooding in from muslim countries in the middle east and Africa it is here also. There is already more black babies being born now than white babies and in just one generation will make them the majority.
    Muslims are responsible for 100% of the rapes in Oslo
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded"]Oslo: ALL Assaults involving Rape commited by Non-Western Men - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Lmao! You are seriously mistaken.
     
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    So you're saying that there has never been a rape in Oslo, where the offender has not been a Muslim?

    This is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. It's up there with the Iranian PM claiming there's no gays in Iran.
     
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    Which is an interesting thing for someone to say, who started a thread titled:

    While this might have some truth, the statistics posted above demonstrate otherwise.

    Additonally, about 10 years ago I had my life threatened in McD's in Uppsala, by two Swedish guys who claimed they'd just got out of prison - they was two of the most un-nerving people I've met in all my travels.

    Another Swedish guy threatened to kill me on a flight, just because I told him to stop patting my GF's head during the flight.

    Take off your rose tinted glasses.
     
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    Just a quick note on Malmö...

    Malmö is a small swedish town just across the water from Copenhagen. When Denmark began to tighten the immigration laws some 10 years ago. it became difficult for muslim to bring a wife or husband into Denmark through marriage. One way around this was to move to Sweden. Since there is a nice car/train bridge between Denmark and Sweden, Malmö is practically a suburb of Copenhagen. Many native Danes moved to Malmö also, because before the financial crisis the cost of houses in Malmö was about half or even one third of what they where in Copenhagen. So you could move to Malmö and still keep your job in Copenhagen.

    This led to an unusually high concentration of muslims in Malmö over a fairly short period.

    Now many Danes are moving back because housing cost in Copenhagen is returning to reasonable levels and because Malmö sucks. They to not want to live where there is a majority of muslims. I don't blame them, it's not fun being the odd one out. Which is why muslims clump together too.
     
  8. Anders Hoveland

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    I want to respond to some of the criticisms against this thread.

    First, it is true that muslim migrants to the USA are much less likely to commit crime than muslim migrants in Europe. There are several possible reasons for this.

    First, the USA may attract different types of muslims than Europe. The muslims that come to the USA seem to be more educated, and come from higher income families. The USA does not (legally) allow in as many asylum seekers; to legally immigrate into the USA migrants generally need to possess certain occupational skills, such as being a nurse, scientist, or engineer. The USA is much less generous with welfare benefits than the European countries, which likely makes the western European countries more desirable to muslim migrants. There is plenty of illegal migrants from Mexico in the USA, and these "illegal" workers have any many ways displaced everyone else from the low-level jobs, further making the USA less attractive to low income migrants from more distant countries. Many muslim countries tend to be filled with more violence and political instability than other poor countries in the world, giving muslim asylum seekers an advantage over other potential asylum seekers in obtaining legal residency in Europe.

    Second, the USA is a much larger country. The muslim migrants to the USA generally have not concentrated into any one place. The concentration of muslims in any given American region tends to be much lower than in Europe.
    It is likely harder for muslims to organise themselves, or harder for a muslim community to culturally/religiously insulate itself from the outside American culture. Some commentators, looking at muslim communities around the world, have suggested that muslim violence only becomes apparent when the concentration of muslims in an area exceeds 10-15% of the local population. This has not really happened yet anywhere in the USA.

    Third, in some ways the USA is more religiously conservative than Europe, although of course in a Christian sense. It may be possible that American culture is, to some degree, less offensive to conservative muslim sensabilities than swedish culture, for example. As can be seen in one of the videos in this thread, virtually all the muslims in the classroom were aroused to anger when shown the "offensive" video.

    For those living outside Europe, I want to let everyone know that there is no doubt that muslims are much more likely to commit crime than ethnic europeans. The rates of rape committed by muslims are somewhere between 5 to 15 times higher than the rest of the european population. This, of course, is not to say that most muslims are rapists. It is just that there exist several times as many rapists within a given muslim population. Poverty, and a culture which is not respectful towards women, are likely contributing factors. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six - 6 - times as common today as they were a generation ago. According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden.
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1937

    Muslims have also staged destructive riots across western europe, this is almost entirely a muslim phenomena. Such riots were virtually non-existent three decades ago.

    Muslims have also been problematic in Australia: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/13/1026185124700.html
    A group of Lebanese Muslim gang rapists from south-western Sydney hunted their victims on the basis of their ethnicity and subjected them to hours of degrading, dehumanising torture. The young women, and girls as young as 14, were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs", the rapists said after some of them were caught.

    Here is some information about American muslim gangs:

    Muslim people from many nations have immigrated legally and illegally into all of the major and minor cities throughout the U.S. The cities of New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles have seen huge waves of immigrants and the criminal gangs that result. However, Michigan seems to be the center of Muslim settlers in the U.S. The city of Dearborn outside of Detroit is a Shiite Muslim enclave. From its numerous mosques the Muslim calls to worship can be heard every day.

    Even before this Detroit suburb was a dying city, with an auto industry moving out, unemployment at more than 28 percent, the crime and murder rate climbing, the school system in receivership, and the treasury $300 million short of funds for even the bare bones municipal services. This is the formula for disaster, and it's also the perfect storm conditions to spawn more gangs.

    One of Detroit's most infamous gangs is the Five Percent Nation or the Nation of Gods and Earths/Five Percent. This is a very violent street gang that was spun out of the Fruit of Islam, (more commonly known as Black Muslims). Like Chicago's El Rukins street gang, they bear little resemblance to any orthodox Muslim belief system but claim to be a religious adherents. Recently a federal magistrate judge, Steve Whalen, told Michigan Prison authorities to drop the ban on the Five Percent gang's inflammatory recruiting material and to treat the group like any other religious organization.

    African Muslims are also becoming a presence in America's cities. The country of Somalia is primarily Muslim and seriously broken. Before and after the "Black Hawk Down" raid, Somalia fell apart in civil war and gangs and warlords took over, starving the people. Gangs of young children roamed the streets carrying AK-47s and chewing on "khat," a stimulant.

    In 2001 large numbers of Somali immigrants began migrating to Maine bringing their clan rivalries and their love of khat with them. Since then these Somali rival gangs, or "clans" as they prefer, have taken root in such far flung U.S. cities as; Lewiston (Maine), Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Kansas City and Garden City (Kansas), and San Diego.

    The American media seems to be intentionally trying to avoid the discussion of muslim crime.
     
  9. Albert Di Salvo

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    Muslims in America aren't threatening to us. But they express zero solidarity with other Americans. Thus, they are cut off from the rest of their countrymen.

    American Muslims must decide what is more important, solidarity with the Ummah, or solidarity with other Americans.
     
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    As long as I live Sweden was always a leftopia, feminists and socialists rule and they see violent muslims as their ally against the evil white man.

    Denmark seems to be quite different.
     
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    They're doing a helluva job, the politically correct, in trying to force Europe into the sneering jaws of islam. If you check to, it's never ELECTED types who are behind the open door policy.
    They're always ranting self serving PC types, getting their own way with gutless politicians.
    The Labour Party in GB are a fine example of repulsive grovelling-to-activists and contempt for the British working class than you'll ever see.
    But Sweden is an ugly case. Its the kind of thing that brought about that attack in Norway.
    Yet forced uninvited islamic immigration continues to increase, with the mps wringing their hands and whining they can't do anything.
    Oh but they CAN - they just won't - they're frightened of the PC self-servers. Middle class corrupts.
     
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    LOL !!! Talk about hypocrisy !!!!
    It's like Adolf Hitler accusing Winston Churchill of anti-semitism ! :mrgreen:
     
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    More biased media coverage:
    http://www.redox.dk/spip.php?article897

    They basically say that the "Swedish Youth" and the "Danish National Front" are "right-wing" and "nazis"!

    These types of lies are repeated so frequently that many people no doubt believe them! Note how they cleverly offer supporting evidence for their claim, while posing their dubious assertion almost as a fact.

    This is what happens when a group in another country tries to protect the political rights of swedish students. The police have essentially banned "anti-immigrant" demonstrations, using "safety" concerns as an excuse, and failing to protect the demonstrators, or prosecuting the multicultural anarchists who attack the students.

    http://expo.se/soundslides/3079/
    (yes a small number of the protesters sort of "look" like the skin head type, but still, accusations of being nazis is unwarranted. And 90% of those demonstrators look like normal students or business people.

    Interesting, I sort of notice a gender divide between the pro- and anti- immigration sides. Not really surprising I suppose.
    Those multicultural feminists have very disrespectful signs.
     
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    cut off the gubmint benefits to freeloaders and quit subsidizing baby machines from the till and you would see a change. also deport anyone convicted of a high crime. make gang rape a high crime.
     
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    Not so easy, the swedish government is effectively controlled by extreme multicultural leftists, supported by a coalition of lesser parties. The main newspapers and televission are completely controlled by those with "multiculturalist" beliefs. They constantly churn out propaganda. Probably half the people actually believe the Sweden Democrats are nazis. Such terms as "racist pigs" are commonly thrown around in public. Last year the government actualy banned one of the political adds, forcing the Sweden democrats to modify the adds, to avoid "inciting racial violence" since the add showed a group of women in burkas trying to get pension money.

    When the real opposition wants to express their views on televission, the station program refuses to show it, and the government backs their decision.
    When the real opposition wants to express their views through public rallies, the police often do not allow it. The police say it creates a threat to safety, then the rallies must be held in some more remote location where there are not many people around to hear the message. The local city governments often try to think of clever ordinances to prevent demonstrations. So basically, if the multicultural anarchists do not like the anti-immigration message, they can just attack the demonstrators, giving the police an excuse to send all the demonstrators home, and not allow similar demonstrations in the future. Also in many places it is near impossible for the Sweden democrats to obtain permits for street marches or park rallies.

    Remember, more than half of the jobs in sweden are government jobs. These people can jeopardise their careers (or sometimes even be fired) for taking part in the wrong political party (Sweden Democrats). Many protesters are afraid of demonstrating in their own cities, for fear that one of their friends may recognise them.

    The leaders of rallies get targeted by anarchists, their homes are often vandalised. The police look the other way, because the demonstrators are "nazis".

    This is what a typical "extreme right wing" demonstration looks like:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9yN91Y4Fr4&feature=related"]Svensk Ungdom - Vi har fått nog - YouTube[/ame]
    as you can see, it is much more orderly than the multicultural, or muslim protesters.

    The multiculturalists have completely infiltrated the immigration offices. They have a "no locked doors" policy. The "detainees" are free to walk right out the front door! or crawl out windows. Obviously the immigration office denies this, but they only hire their own supporters, so who is going to speak out? I have even heard that some of the immigrants that are actually "deported" blatently talk with the immigration employees about how they are just going to take a 2-week vacation, then come back. The immigration office even gives them "spending money".

    Even now that the Sweden Democrats have gotten a good number of seats in parlaiment, ALL of the other parties have agreed to vote against, and not cooperate with, whatever policies the Sweden Democrats try to implement. In a multiparty democracy, a party with 12% of the votes effectively has a good degree of influence, unless all the other parties stand in solidarity against the minority. But the left has sort of coerced some of the other dissenting parties to go along with the solidarity. Those who do not support exculusion of the Sweden Democrats would no doubt be excluded from other negotiations when drafting new laws.

    So changing the problem will not be easy at all. First the Sweden Democrats need to end the government persecution, and gain a foothold in the media.

    As for "gang rape", you likely would not believe the light sentences some of these rapists get away with.
    One muslim, was sentenced to a mere 4 years (the last 2 years he served confined to his own house), and he did not even have a residency permit! Judges try to be "culturally understanding" towards the rapists when they are muslim. This particular rapist had brutally raped a 14-year old swedish girl, calling her a "filthy whore" and "swedish pig" during the encounter.
     
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    Ibrahim Ali Rahim came to Sweden as an 18-year-old Kurdish asylum seeker from Iraq, settling in Karlstad. Soon after his arrival, he assaulted a 18-year-old girl with a broken bottle in an apartment, before a party was about to begin. He cut up her arm with two cuts as a result. Unfortunately she had been drinking and had an incoherent story under police interrogation, so the district court dismissed the indictment, as "it could not be ruled out that someone else had cut her." Fourteen days later the Kurd hit another young woman in the center of Karlstad. Then he went to an apartment on Kronoparken which belonged to a friend of Kurdish man. According to the woman he pulled her down on the floor in the bathroom. The Kurd took a stranglehold on her neck, hit her in the face and raped her. The woman was crying hysterically and tried to resist. Ibrahim Ali Rahim was sentenced by the court to only one year and eight months. He was also ordered to pay 85000 kronor (about 13000 in USA dollars) in damages to the raped woman, although this was later reduced because he was found "unable" to pay. During the trial the rapist required an interpreter, as he did not speak swedish. Nowhere in the appeal addresses was there a claim for deportation.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxjbyjBoxyY"]SWEDEN_ 20 MUSLIM immigrants gang rape 11-year-old Swedish girl « Bare Naked Islam's Weblog - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Its fun to see how "poor" western europeans try to show themselves as the victims.
     
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    Because clearly its the criminal / welfare leeching / ghetto creating Turks, Somali's. Algerians and Moroccans who are the victims right? :D

    Victim card no longer works, Europe is waking up. Rapidly.
     
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    You can see who tries to show themselves as poor victims of "evil immigrants" and cry under threads such as this one.You western europeans are just murderers who wears a fancy suit with civilized smiles on your faces and you are good at sweeping your dirt under the carpet.You are no different from the others that you try to show as evil.Your arrogance has no limit.

    Giving peace prizes in the name of someone who invented dynamite and weapon industry and made a fortune out of the weapon factories he had all over europe.Sweden is one of the top weapon producers with norway.While those weapons are spilling blood in iraq,afghanistan or a civil war in africa,you gather in a ball room and give away your lame "peace prizes" with your lame smiles and fancy suits.Think again about whom to call as criminal.

    Sweden also systematicaly decreased its saami population with methods such as "female circumcision" until 1980s.Norway made genetic experiments on them based on racial policies of the nazis.Denmark assimilated and kicked eskimos out of their native lands and still doesnt allow them to return to "Thule region".By the way,there was not a toilet in Swedish royal palace even in the beginning of 19th century.Guests were saying "excuse me" and releasing it into a corner.

    Somehow no one talks about these facts or ignores them on purpose since you so called civilized western europeans dont have a reason to dig your own (*)(*)(*)(*) like you do with Turkey about Armenians and kurds since you dont have a reason to use scandinavians and their crimes as a political pressure tool.

    By the way,as a dutch you can see a criminal if you look at the mirror since it was dutch royal forces who was responsible of Srebrenica.You were drinking wine with Radko Mladic while serbian forces were slaughtering civilians.Yet you dare to call others criminals.But aww,you are so democratic and civilized,you even have a pedophile political party in holland who makes politics to sleep with 12 year old children.

    So as a result,wash your mouth first before calling others criminal.
     
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    Big words coming from someone from a nation which has yet to recognize the Armenian, Assyrian, Greek genocides.

    Also I can hardly believe its the fault of Dutch troops if they are forced not to intervene, are denied proper data and mandate and more.

    Also the pedo party has yet to get their mandatory 500 votes to be eligible for elections, their highest number is 12....Yes they are perverted but its their right, and it atleast helps to know who to keep an eye on :D

    Start deporting the people who will not contribute to Europe, yes Millions will have to be deported, yes its harsh, it will save a lot of money and suffering.
     
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    Dont just write the same text book bull(*)(*)(*)(*).This genocide that genocide.If you know history,talk about it.You dont have any idea about what others did to Turks because EU commission doesnt have a reason to use them as a political tool.

    You sound like just another dumb,wanna be bad ass internet neo nazi guy.Go give Geert Wilders a BJ.LoL
     
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    Are you always a sore loser? I would think you would have gotten used to it, by now.
     
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    Are you a winner? What did you win? I am educating you here to get rid of your ignorance and small world designed by bull(*)(*)(*)(*) media
     
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    DutchClog appears to be the winner, here. See, a winner would have known what I was referring to.

    Something tells me that educating people requires education on your part. You seem to lack said requirement.
     

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