Swing State Trumpers Forged Electoral Letters in Harebrained Scheme to Overturn Biden’s Win

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  1. MJ Davies

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    Stat! Thanks for explaining that. I have been trying to figure out how this all went down and reading that didn't make my brain hurt. LOL

    Now, I have a question for you. If the MI counts were that far apart for Biden, why did they think they could get away with forging the letter? It seems like they would want to choose areas that might have slipped under the radar because the counts were so close.

    What is your gut telling you about Rudy and Orange Jesus? Well, I know OJ is dumber than a post so he didn't plan this but do you think he put it in motion?

    And, do you have any theories on why his supporters can't let go of the lie now that he obviously has nothing to back it up? I would have break loyalty over something like this. Nobody should be put on a pedestal so high they can leave a trail of bodies and toxic waste everywhere they go.
     
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    The only explanation that appears logical to me is that stupid people do stupid things. And the MAGA movement can proudly claim that in the number of stupid people it contains, it is definitely number 1. Bravo, MAGA!

    No reasonable person would sign a forged document, especially for something this big, something that had already garnered a great deal of national attention.

    As for the players behind the scenes, I will let the authorities figure than one out, but since Trump himself took time to call relatively low positioned figures in the MI GOP in order to sway them to annul the D votes in certain counties and portions of those calls were also played on national TV for us all to hear, then it is eminently conceivable that he himself was part of this, especially when one considers what an insatiable attention-whore he is and how he cannot stand that anyone else get any kind of limelight. So, yeah, I am pretty sure that his fingerprints are all over this one as with so many criminal activities that took place after the GE of 2020.

    Criminal is as criminal does.
     
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    She is waaay more of a reporter than Tuckums is
     
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    What needs to be investigated is the coordinator of these events. Each state involved (there are five to date) used the very same template as their documents. We know Meadows "loved" the idea and said he was looking into it - likely one of the reasons why he doesn't want to speak to the 1/6 committee.

    My question is what the right leaning members of PF think about this - how they feel about voter's ballots being discounted in those states.
     
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    Awesome. Epic fail on your part. You were trying to prove that Democrats voted to ban voter ID, and the article you posted says,

    “But HR-1 does not "ban" voter identification laws. Instead, it offers a workaround to state voter IDs for individuals who do not have the means to obtain identification. Voters may alternatively present a sworn, written statement to an election official under penalty of perjury that states the voter is eligible to vote.”

    Comedy gold, Jet. Keep it up!
    :applause::roflol:
     
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    Whoever it was was a genius at finding that many brain farted people to sign what was very obviously a forged document. They must have known it was illegal - unless they had been promised a presidential pardon……
     
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    https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-ii/clauses/350

    “Under Article II, the states are allotted a number of Electors equal to their Congressional delegation, which is the number of Representatives plus two for the Senators, but the actual Electors are appointed according to rules set exclusively by the state legislatures themselves.

    The colloquially-named Electoral College arises from Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3, which state that:”

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States shall be appointed an Elector.

    The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."

     
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    Says nothing about a bunch of people forging documents
     
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    I’ve never once justified the forged documents. What I have said is I think what happened in those states was a last minute attempt by the legislatures to reclaim Constitutional authority they unwisely delegated to in many cases an agency of the state executive branches. They bungled it badly.
     
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    That would be a kindly view of this. Unfortunately it looks, on the surface, to be a clear cut case of forgery since they did not go through proper process and they used unauthorised state seals
     
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    I agree, the forgeries where violations of law.
     
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    All you can say is “silly silly people”. Why did they think they could get away with forgery? Especially when they sent those documents in to the national archives?
     
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    At least here it appears to me that these signatories were hoping that their State would become the nucleus of the United States of Trump in the ongoing Civil Wars. Perhaps it will be their main fantasy in their jail cells.
     
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    I've never seen the allegation that the Hawaii governor actually 'annulled' the Republican slate, although it stands to reason that it was implied with the submission of the 2nd..... Can you link something for that? I can't find anything

    This entire line of "reasoning" is moot, since the GOVERNOR signed both, but I was curious reading your explanation...
     
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    LOL... there could never be a United States of Trump.... eventually, some state official would tweet something not completely subservient to HIM, and they'd be kicked out....

    In the end, the only entity sufficiently loyal to Donald T**** is Donald T****
     
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    First - It wasn’t the legislatures that were trying to “reclaim Constitutional authority”. Can you point to a single state legislature that voted to appoint a different slate of electors?

    Second - do you really want legislatures to decide who wins an election? That is a recipe for disenfranchising everyone who votes.
     
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    Exactly! What would be the point of actually voting then?
     
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    They weren't "discounted". This is a fantasy leftists are living in again, just like "Russian collusion". That's how (at least this) right leaning member feels about it. Again, this was all well-known long before this week. It was widely-publicized the very day it happened: PA GOP on Twitter: "BREAKING: REPUBLICAN ELECTORS CAST PROCEDURAL VOTE , SEEK TO PRESERVE TRUMP CAMPAIGN LEGAL CHALLENGE https://t.co/XVWuR5WzvN" / Twitter
     
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    And Rolling Stone is your source? LOLZ indeed.
     
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    But HR-1 does not "ban" voter identification laws. Instead, it offers a workaround to state voter IDs for individuals who do not have the means to obtain identification. Voters may alternatively present a sworn, written statement to an election official under penalty of perjury that states the voter is eligible to vote.

    The Ruling
    False.

    There is no language in HR-1 that "bans" voter identification laws. It allows individuals in states with identification requirements who do not have ID to vote by providing in writing that they are eligible.
     
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    AU, here's the deal about that. Much like the Capitol rioters arrestees...

    1. They probably didn't plan to get caught, arrested or sentenced.

    Despite OJ turning his back on people that have been loyal to him, he has shown them he is more than willing to manipulate and exploit them until he wants to disavow them. Why would anybody on the planet (outside his equally awful oldest daughter) think he had their backs?

    I never cared for Rudy because he's obnoxious, but he's proven to be beyond stupid. Trump had his staff shut him out and refuse his phone calls when he was asking about getting paid. Even his disgusting, vapid porn lesbian model knows to get the cash upfront! So, he's not just stupid, he's an unpaid whore.

    Notice that it was his name in that linked article and guess who is going to be dragged into that hot mess when these people get arrested? Spoiler alert: It will NOT be Orange Jesus.



    2. Depending on the charges, trials and sentences...like Powell, these people will probably not be able to retain any professional licenses they may hold and could be barred from ever working in any position with fiduciary responsibilities.

    An idiot out here, city comptroller, for one of our suburbs not only got fired, tried, sentenced and fined. She can't get any job anywhere as an CPA (Accountant) and stupidest part is the amount embezzled was just a few hundred thousand dollars.

    Would you risk losing your job when what you are stealing is a paltry fraction of your projected lifetime income? That's crazy! It was said that his disgusting whore wife refused to move to the White House until he renegotiated her pre-nup (when that scandal broke about the hooker he tried to pay off to silence). She's completely useless and even she wouldn't mess up her sweet ride for future income.



    3. I don't believe in witchcraft and all that but something is just crazy about this. Orange Jesus has insulted,

    * Fauci (he was supposed to present a united front during the pandemic)
    * other elected officials
    * the military and veterans
    * handicapped people
    * women
    * minorities
    * LGBTQ
    * Pence (he put a target on his back based on a complete lie)
    * Queen Elizabeth
    * Pope Francis
    * Mexicans
    * China (that was deserved although he kissed Xi's backside when he was in office)
    * Afghani friends (that helped our side in the war)
    * Anybody that has dared tell him the truth (insulted and fired)

    The ONLY person he has never insulted or tried to crush is his equally horrible oldest daughter and even that is sick and twisted because he's got a crush on her (that's beyond disgusting!).

    How does ANYBODY stand behind him in anything? Even little kids get mad and know when somebody isn't their friend.

    Is he using hypnosis, subliminal messages in the background when he speaks, has dirt on everybody everywhere so they have to shut up and not defend themselves or distance themselves? And, he can't even play the "nice guy" card because he's a horrible monster, liar and cheat.

    What the hell is going on? This is insanity on top of toxicity and dysfunction.
     
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    Strengthening voter fraud, which is extremely low to start with, should be done at local/state levels.

    We don't have a Nat'l election but once every 4 yrs.
    But if you want National election laws, go sign up and push for the voter rights act that congress and Biden want to pass.
    But don't ask me to give the fed gov't more of my personal information that they can use against people. Why are you for the fed gov't having so much information on people. The Patriot act already lets them spy on us. We have SS as a national ID already. Use it.
    If you think a new system will be more secure, think again, it may be for a while, but any system man can make, man can fraud.
    Shore up SS security if we want a better secure national ID.
     
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    I don't want a National ID for voting.
    I don't want HR-1.

    We don't have a National Election but once every 4 yrs.
    My argument is if you're for 1 of them intruding in our lives, be for both of them intruding in our lives.
    I want neither.|

    SS already is a national ID. Fraud in the US elections is sub 0.000%. About 0,00000004%. It will never ever be ZERO fraud.
     
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