Swing State Trumpers Forged Electoral Letters in Harebrained Scheme to Overturn Biden’s Win

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  1. dairyair

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    You are against States setting their own rules. You want each voter to give yet more personal information to the fed gov't to vote in state and local elections. That's absurd. And hypocritical.

    I want neither.
    Keep it local and State.
    I don't like how the R states are rigging their state elections, but the voters can change that if they don't like it. And vote their butts out.
     
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    You shouldnt be accusing others of living in a fantasy land :)
     
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    There's a reason why there are so many Christian religions.
    Each denomination interprets the bible in their own special way. Or even makes some rules on their own.
    Then each member of a denomination also makes their own interpretations and fits that into the lifestyle they want to live.

    IMO, the reason for this, is there's no authority on what a god is supposed to be, so anyone can make god in their own image.
     
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    Nope... sorry.... states can set their own rules up to the time they begin disenfranchising voters...

    What possible problem could anybody have with basic, simple national standards for things like ID, early voting, guarantee of reasonable poll access (long lines),preclearance, and voter right restoration??

    Oh right... they'll begin losing....
     
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    Because we don't have a National election every year. We only have State and local elections.
    Why is that so hard to understand?

    If one doesn't like what their local leaders are doing, one votes against them.
     
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    One will have difficulty voting against local leaders once they've stacked the system to stay in power.... that also shouldn't be hard to understand...

    If states want to have 2 different systems for different years that's on them.... seems expensive, confusing to voters, and generally unwieldy to me, but that's their option.

    The National election must have National standards...
     
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    We don’t have a national election.
     
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    BUT, we have a FEDERAL Election (for Federal Offices).
     
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    Standards are fine. Dictation is not.
     
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    Even federal officials are elected during state run elections.
     
  11. dairyair

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    No, we have States election for State representatives in a federal office.
    But I do see your point.
     
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    I sure hope so.
     
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    Standards are only going to work if they are dictated to be followed.... Other than that, dictation has no place in this conversation...
     
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    ...with the Constitutional ability for Congressional set rules...
     
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    Should be an interesting case.... Obviously, each individual signing these documents will point the finger at the plan originators and the plan originators will say each person made the decision individually.

    Ya gotta get both ends of the scheme to be effective...

    I haven't examined all 7 documents, but certainly those that use replicas of the state seal are 100% forgeries..
     
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    OK... I cannot believe you are making arguments without that bedrock knowledge though...

    SNIP
    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
    ENDSNIP

    https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-i/clauses/750
     
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    Thank you.

    Good source, BTW.
     
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    I can't speak for the Democrats, but I'm of the opinion that when you register to vote, that's when you prove your name, address, citizenship status, etc. Addresses are cross-referenced with DMV records as well. Several states do mail only voting, like Colorado where I currently live, and once you are registered, your ballot is mailed to the address you provided when registering.

    To make a voter ID into a separate process would cost taxpayers too much money. In most states, the current systems work just fine to prevent fraudulent voting. If it ain't broke ...
     
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    The facts are not in your favor, or Trump's. If you have proof that Trump won in 2020, everyone in the country would like to see it. Pony up, or deal with the fact that Biden won fair and square. You've been lied to repeatedly on that issue, so perhaps you need to find some less biased news sources. Personally, I'm past the point of trying to debate something so nonsensical.
     
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    That's a contradictory statement. You're claiming that the Dems want the federal government to control everything, but you're stating that in response to a report of Democrats voting for the federal government not to require national voter IDs, something the Republicans want.

    Pick one.
     
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    Sorry, I decided long ago not to rehash the election with LW zealots.
     
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    Republicans want voter ID integrity, but determined by the states not the federal government. As usual, the Democrats was to federalize everything about elections. That’s why Republicans voted the way they did.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, can you tell us exactly which parts of HR-1 contains mandates that are "unnecessary, unwise, and unconstitutional"? Please site the applicable clauses and explain how they fit any of those adjectives.
     
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    I think the proposed viting rights bills, both the John Lewis bill and HR-1, contain specific protections that all states must include, but states will still maintain their own voting processes within that framework.
     

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