"Take it from my cold, dead hands" vs. Freedom of Speech

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  1. Kranes56

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    Over the years, there have been plenty of attempts to disarm gun enthusiasts. Usually the response is some form of "You can take my guns from my cold dead hands". They will never disarm because the moment they do, the government will swoop in and take away all their rights and liberties or something like that. They will proudly open carry their guns with them at all times to make sure people know they won't hurt anyone and guns are nice and safe. The reason they can do this is because having open carry guns is a form of symbolic political speech. Like how anyone can wear a MAGA hat, guns have symbolic speech. Usually these two work together in tandem. It's living proof you can't separate the speech, from the gun. If you try to say they can't bring guns into public areas, like rallies, then the response is; "You can take my guns from my cold dead hands."

    In Virginia, a rally in favor of gun rights seems to have a bit of a snag. The governor declared a state of emergency because of threats of violence at the rally. No one is allowed to carry weapons in the rally. 4 people (I think they were neo nazis?) were arrested in connection with threats made ahead of the rally. The rally is still on, but they can't carry guns into certain area. To attend the rally, you have to forgo having a gun. There are more subtleties but my wifi sucks. If you need sources, let me know.

    My question is this: Did the 'government' win in separating gun owners from their guns? While not taking their guns away, they have successfully forced gun enthusiasts to forgo having weapons with them. All that machismo is lost as the government successfully told them they can't bring weapons. No civil war happened, no violence (as of yet to my knowledge), nothing. All the talk of using guns to protect their rights and it didn't materialize when the need was clear.

    Is this the right way to think about the gun rally in Virginia?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One event does not prove much of anything.
     
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    True, it doesn't. But let's think about everything over the years, and how there's been no major armed insurrection. For all this talk, nothing came from it.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not expected any major insurrection. Generally gun owners are law abiding.
     
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    Nope. The right way to think about it is that the governor pulled a fast one and ought to be condemned for it. Probably will be by the time this reaches the supreme court which generally disproves of a priori restraints of constitutional rights.
     
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    Yet the democrats have been depriving law abiding citizens of their guns for years now! And they did it again today! Yet no deaths have come from this.
     
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    Gun rights groups tried to appeal the emergency order and lost. Even then, if it was so unconstitutional and guns are supposed to protect the constitution, why not bring your gun then and make the cops enforce the order?
     
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    At a lower court. not the supremes. Scotus is also loathe to do emegency stuff.
     
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    That's not really the distinction worth making now is it? You're assuming it will get that far and the opinion of the lower court doesn't matter. Something so unconstitutional should have been immediately tossed out.
     
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    My preliminary understanding of the event is that the "gun free" fenced in area is empty and the carry area around it is where protesters have gathered. More will come out after the event is completed and footage from the thousands of cameras there comes out.

    If the above is correct, don't be surprised to see MSM claiming no guns rights people showed up and only focusing on the gun free fenced area to the exclusion of the whole protest ;)

    Stay tuned. The truth about this event and what happened there will take a few days to come out due to our thoroughly corrupted MSM.
     
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    I stopped reading the op after the first sentence. Since it was a lie I decided nothing would be accomplished by reading any more. There is no documentation that any one wants to take any ones guns.
     
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