Tazewell County Virginia passes 2A sanctuary status unanimously, and also passes order of militia

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  1. Nightmare515

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    Looks like 90% of Virginian counties have designated themselves sanctuary counties now. Many local Sheriffs and other law enforcement officers as well as military veterans how vowed to join this militia also.

    We'll see how this actually plays out. Right now it's all lip service and seems like both sides are playing poker and calling each others bluff. This is a much bigger deal than the national media is giving it credit for and will be a proving ground for how this sort of thing will actually play out in the future.

    Good on Virginia for taking this first step but the most important thing is to actually mean it. If all of this talk of forming militias and mobilizing against the National Guard if necessary turns out to be smoke and mirrors then that will set a horrible precedent for other states in the future. It would mean that gun owners, for all of their chest thumping, are nothing but a vocal minority who don't need to be taken seriously which in turn gives the green light to lawmakers do this this elsewhere while ignoring the threats from the local "militias".

    Somebody has to blink at some point, and if it's the Virginian militia's then this fight is over and lawmakers will never take this sort of thing seriously again.
     
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    I don't think they are going to back down-and interestingly Im hearing anecdotal reports of how people from outside of Virginia are ready to support its residents.

    Also-how do 90% of the counties support sanctuary-but the state went blue?
     
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    Not all Democrats are gun grabbers or even anti AR-15. That's a broad stroke narrative painted by Conservatives mostly. Obviously the majority of anti-gun folks are Democrats but not all Democrats are anti-gun.

    Also not all issues are of equal value to everyone. While gun rights may be AN issue to many Democrats it may not be the primary issue upon which they vote. I don't support all Republican policies, not even close, but the the policies I hold higher up on the food chain tend to be Republican backed policies which is why I vote Republican. There are plenty of Democrat policies that I agree with 100%, but they are not of equal value to me as their other policies of which I loathe with a passion which is why they don't have my support.
     
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    Heard that a lot from democrats but no matter how you paint it, if they support the democrats that are anti-gun they are by association anti-gun.
     
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    Yeah and they say the same thing about us, with the broad stroke.

    Perhaps they hold other policies of higher value than their gun rights? Very few folks will ever be able to vote for a candidate that will hold every single value that they themselves hold. You have to usually choose which candidate whose values most closely align with your own. For example two big debates in society right now are guns and abortion. If someone is pro-gun and pro-choice then who are they supposed to support? They'll support whomever agrees with them regarding whichever of those two issues they personally care the most about.
     
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    The choice between ending life and self defense?
     
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    The explanation is found in Virginia’s population disparity.

    I’ll give you two counties as examples. One has voted for sanctuary, and the other has not.

    The largest county in Virginia by land mass is Pittsylvania County, which borders the State of North Carolina and surrounds the City of Danville. The County is not much smaller than the entire State of Rhode Island in square miles. The County is very rural and has a low population density. Two State Senators and two House of Delegates members share the representation of the entire County in the Virginia General Assembly. All four are republicans.

    Pittsylvania County has voted to be a sanctuary county.

    Compare this with Fairfax County. It borders Washington, and the NRA has its national headquarters there. Fairfax has such a large population that 9 State Senators are either entirely within or share a portion of the county in their representation. All 9 are democrats. In addition, 17 House of Delegates members are either entirely within or share a portion of the county in their representation. 16 of these Delegates are democrats, and one is a republican.

    Fairfax County has not voted to be a sanctuary County….

    To give it more clarity, consider this. There are 120 counties and/or independent cities in Virginia. To represent these 120 jurisdictions, the Virginia Senate has a total of 40 Senators, while the Virginia House of Delegates has 100 members.

    Fairfax County—one of 120 jurisdictions—can claim representation either in whole or in part from nearly 1 out of every 4 State Senators, and nearly 1 out of every 5 House members.
     
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    I can't see a handful of populous regions setting state law on the rest turning out well-not in Virginia.

    California was like that in the 80's.
     
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    Yeah, who do they support? If those are two of the most important policies to somebody then which side of the spectrum are they supposed to give their support? For yourself the answer is obviously easy because you are both pro-gun and pro-life I assume. But for many people they are not. So if somebody has some Democrat policies that they support and some Republican policies that they support then whose side are they supposed to be on? The nation is very far from black and white like that.

    Just because somebody votes a certain way doesn't mean they are 100% on that side of the aisle. It usually just means that that particular side of the aisle favors the policies that the individual cares most about.

    Is every registered Republican pro-life just because they vote Republican?
     
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    Well, I am pro freedom and not anti-life.
     
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    Vacuuming the brain out of a soft, little skull is anti-life.
     
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    Alright, so what if this were reversed? What if the Democrat Party was the party of 2nd Amendment Rights, along with being pro-choice, pro illegal immigration, universal healthcare, and forced redistribution of wealth? And the Republican Party was the party of anti 2nd Amendment Rights, anti-illegal immigration, pro-life, and Capitalism.

    Would you vote Democrat then?
     
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    I would vote pro freedom. Freedom has to be fought for.
     
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    In regards to the post you quoted which of those two parties is pro freedom?
     
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    Well, if you want to think of it that way....killing cattle is anti-life also. Are you a vegan?
     
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    Actually, at this moment, there are 111 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, towns and cities but that's still a good question. The answer can be primarily summed up with: "Bloomberg's $Billions"

    Bloomberg has made the national evisceration of the 2nd Amendment one of his "philanthropic goals" and has the $Billions to do so.
    I think that most gun owners around the country have seen that if he succeeds in Virginia, they're next on his list
     
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    Vegan, no way. I love to kill animals, quarter them, field dress them, put their meat on a spit and eat them.

    When I eat my yogurt I am happy that bacteria are dying by the millions.
     
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    I like when I hit a deer, I just tear off a leg and munch on it, fast food..
     
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    There was a football coach here years ago that made the players eat raw meat and raw emu eggs. But you can only do so much with the talent you have, they never made it to state.
     
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    Which in itself presents an interesting legal, as well as constitutional, question in the state of Virginia. If the governor truly has the legal authority to order the national guard of the state of Virginia to enforce the laws of the state if law enforcement refuses, what can he do if the national guard refuses to comply as well? Who does he call upon then?
     
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    Doesn't matter - Trump will federalize any VANG troops so ordered.
     
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    Presumably by the time the VA national guard would be activated, the VA state police would have already been activated as well.

    Im not aware of any other agency that would be involved.

    Everyone-from law enforcement to the guard are VA residents. This would be Virginian against Virginian.
     
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    ~ Simple. If states ( California ) and cities can legally declare "sanctuary" for Illegal aliens , obviously 2nd Amendment "sanctuary" should be fine. :gun::omfg:
     
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