Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, it certainly is not a success compared to the rhetoric used to sell it.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    because the Tea Party operative thesis is that the Federal Government is less effective then the marketplace or the state governments. Of course this is somewhat idiotic given the state of healthcare in the US but facts should never be allowed to interfere with a dogma.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, really? The VA scandal is socialized medicine on trial. Forget the ACA, the VA model is the model that people think would be better than the ACA and the government has utterly failed.
     
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    Criticism wtht nothing of substance as usual. What it does is to prove the point that right wingers always resort to attacks and criticism when they lose a debate.

    Thank you for proving that I have been correct all along.

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  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, yeah, doing nothing about what Obama knew for 7 years before 2014 and just now claiming he is mad as hell (because he just learned about it on TV) is all republicans fault. How stupid do you think everyone is?
     
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    and where were the Republican "saviours" Bush and McConnell?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Saviors? LOL
     
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    Still waiting for your proof of your claim that Obama personally knew about it.
     
  9. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    misterveritis Banned

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    People not buying a product is not a problem unless one is a progressive. The reason why most prices rise is because of massive government involvement. So the single most important change we should make is to eliminate government involvement.

    And yes, if you cannot pay for a service that you want then you don't get the service.

    Anything else amounts to a demand for a return to slavery where one person toils for the benefit of another whether they want to or not.

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    Your posts are evidence that tyranny never, ever gives up.

    I hate this software. I did not intend for these two posts to be mashed together.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, Obama got to see his dream of a free public (single payer) healthcare system for all just disintegrate in front of him. The government couldn’t even handle the health of our wounded servicemen.
     
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    There are exceptions.
     
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    Obamacare is not a single payer system. Medicare is a partial single payer system and it works quite well. The health care of our wounded servicemen is a different issue from cooking the books to show shorter wait times. Suspect the problem could be instantly fixed if Veterans Hospitals only served combat wounded veterans or veterans with combat related problems.
     
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    Generally seems to me the largest fear of this Green tea Get together is that Obamacare will suceed. If they genuinely idea it'd fail they would let it go insuring that conservatives can be proved right. Next maybe it's repealed, this oppositions credibility can be increased and the thoughts for reform more likely to possibly be implemented.
     
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    You are correct, Obamacare is a nightmare but the progressive model is going down in flames. This is what to expect with single payer.
     
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    45,000 dead every year due to lack of health care insurance thanks to your party is the result of tyrannical slavery and genocide that all of you should be ashamed of.
     
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    where are your demographics for this statement?
    People who have insurance die every minute. Those people on Obocare will die as well.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    I am not quite sure how the logic of your statement works.
     
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    What was it that those unhappy with Obamacare because it was not single payer were mad about? The VA is the model of single payer.
     
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    Is Medicare also the model of a single payer? Note that the VA has a series of different priorities assigned to different categories of veterans which does not fit a single payer model. Suggest Medicare is much closer.

    Also am not sure that the average vet was getting better or worse care then the average American prior to Obamacare. Am going to try to find some statistics and get back.
     
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    Your posts are evidence that tyranny never, ever gives up.
    If you think someone should have a service who cannot afford it then you step up and pay for it.
     
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    And the mis truths just keep coming.
     
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    Well, guess you don't understand the concept of the Exchanges. Exchanges rely totally on the private Market Place. The Federal Government and/or State Government isn't selling you health insurance, are they? Duh!

    And, more people are buying insurance from non-exchange companies registered with their States because the policies are often less costly, have lower premiums and more providers participating than the Exchange policies. Since my husband is a surgeon I will relate that since Jan. 1 2014 he has seen more patients cancel their hospital surgery because they find the Hospital isn't in network as their insurance advised they were. So even though my husband is "in network" none of the Hospitals in our County are In Network even though they advised my husbands staff and the Hospital that they were. Therefore, more hospitals not admitting patients even when they are told the care will be covered because the insurance companies later refuse to pay.

    Obamacare, the PPACA failed to fully regulate Insurance Companies, especially plans sold through Exchanges. The law should have required policies list all Hospitals, Clinics, Nursing Homes, Home Health Care Companies, Medical Equipment Companies and health care providers considered in network or fully participating in the plan. Nothing has changed. In my 38 years of experience in this field.
     
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    and here I thought I was the only one who caught this magical 45,000 number
    I'd sorely love to see the demographics on this, but now some in here are not required to support such outrageous claims without one shred of evidence.
     
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    Duh! I now have Medicare which the government does sell me! Also am on the drug plan which the government does sell me. Have supplemental which the government does not sell me.

    If you are going to try to be insulting you should first try to be right!
     
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