Tea Party Is Bald-Faced Racists, White Privilege Conference Speaker Tells White ppl

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  1. Karma Mechanic

    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

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    so you got nothing........thanks for admitting it. There is a level of pathetic but the sheep of the right wing noise machine are really worthy of pity.
     
  2. Rayne

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    Here's another one of these kind of threads.

    The Tea Party has never adhered to anything other than libertarianism. You think that is racist because it means cutting out Affirmative Action, the welfare state, Section 8. The things that your "community" largely rely on to have any difference in living standards from those in your "ancestral homeland".

    They oppose D over what I've already mentioned.
    They oppose R over their belief that they've been hijacked by the "corporate right". A "fake" right-wing that is only interested in the reduction of corporate tax and keeping government intervention out of corporate affairs as much as possible. And things like the Patriot Act.

    They're bitter over the fact they feel they have no party which represents them. Racist? Hahaha... I barely even pay attention to that silly word anymore. The excessive usage of that word has watered its meaning down to absolutely nothing.
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, thanks for admitting your post is nothing.
     
  4. Johnny-C

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    Well, 'everything' that isn't 'blatant' isn't necessarily dishonest.

    America's ethnic relations are a nuanced thing. It takes education and experience to navigate the social-landmines which by no fault of anyone living today (unless you're a racist), are in certainly place.

    Considering our history and related culture, one can understand why those were put into place. But few actually are HONEST about the racism purposely imbedded within American 'culture'... and often because of the sense of 'privilege' associated with the same.

    But surely, not all the reasons people are racist or feel the effects of it are the same.

    It's complex and difficult, it takes courage and intelligence to deal with it... especially for a lifetime.
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    The problem is that many who are members of the so-called "Tea Party", are much more than 'Libertarians'. The baggage associated with the Tea Party, goes far beyond the definition of being a "Libertarian" (which isn't any perfect ideology in itself).
     
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    Bastiats libertarians Well-Known Member

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    Ever notice how racism and cheating have similar backgrounds? Those accusing a loved one of cheating without facts are usually the ones cheating themselves. I've found that those who scream racism the loudest tend to be the least tolerant
     
  7. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    This is complete nonsense.

    Yes, a significant percentage of the US economy is attributed to government spending such as welfare assistance where roughly $500 billion in general welfare spending and Social Security Medicare/Medicaid drive over $1 trillion in spending takes place each year but none of which has anything whatsoever to do with Affirmative Action that's basically limited to about 5% of corporate America. Out of our $17 trillion ecomony perhaps $500 billion is actually spent on contracts where Affirmative Action is mandated and this goes predominately to less than 5% of all private enterprises.

    Subcontracting for government contracts is not restricted to any geographical location in the United States. A company located in remote town in Idaho can easily bid on a subcontract for the Lockheed F-35 Program if it wants to. It can even be a small company with fewer than 50 employees not required to comply with the AA guidelines.

    No, a substantial expenditure to implement and maintain Affirmative Action is not required. The DOL even provides a good template for it that only has to be updated once a year. Obviously the greater the number of employees the more hours required to create and update the template but as the number of employees increases the cost per employee is reduced. For the smallest contractor with only 50 employees it would probably take a couple of days for HR (probably one person in that small of a company) to update the information on the template but what the hell, HR isn't doing much with their time anyway and are an overhead cost to the business.

    http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/pdf/sampleaap.pdf

    Affirmative Action doesn't even suggest hiring of unqualified individuals nor is there any requirement to from a practical standpoint. There are plenty of qualified individuals in historically discriminated groups for any enterprise to select from. All the enterprise really needs to do is target those groups for recruitment so that they're get applications that they can review along with the "white male applicants" they've been historically targeting in the past. To find qualified applicants in the historically discriminated groups you actually have to recruite from those groups but that isn't a discriminatory practice. A recruitement ad in Cosmopolitian will result in qualified women applying while a recruitement ad in Forbes is almost always going to result in almost exclusively white males applying. Want qualified black applicants run a job opening ad in a newpaper serving the black community. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.

    Any private business owner that believes they have to hire unqualified individuals or that they have to fill a "quota" or that then need to spend a lot of money on Affirmative Action is an idiot that has no clue about how to implement and comply with the Affirmative Action guidelines.

    Sorry but I'm not really going to address these businesses where the owners and management won't do the actual research required to propertly comply with AA guidelines. All I'd tell them to do is "get educated" because obviously they're not.
     
  8. kreo

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    I am not sure if you have a correct understanding of Affirmative Actions.
    The program forces business to hire Affirmative Actions people.
    That is a bottom line.
    No matter how you twist it, how many details you provide in your response, the outcome is - those who comply, those get economic advantage.
    And in some case business should die without following guidelines.
    That only means that government forces you support Affirmative Actions.
    That is it!!!

    It is like if government shuts off the water in town, and then open one fountain where people can drink if they comply with special policy.
     
  9. garyd

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    I don't believe, that I know that. And I know the sources whereby you acquired your spurious information.
     
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    The "tea party" is a political sleight of hand dreamed up by Dick Armey and a few like minded Republican political activists and consultants inside the beltway right after the election of Barack Obama.

    They knew that they had to do something fast in order to shore up the Bush dead enders, and keep the sort of folks who showed up at Sarah Palin rallies interested.

    So they stole the name from Ron Paul's libertarian group and pasted it on an astroturf campaign.

    From K Street, earnest activists ventured forth to the red state hinderland to create a movement, aided by a lot of manufacured noise from Fox and talk radio. These activists showed up with a movement in a box. Pre printed literature, mailing lists, instant websites, wrapped busses, and, of course, lots of cash (accompanies by a helpful how to guide on how to file for 501c4 tax status so that you didn't have to tell Main Street that your real money was coming from K Street and Wall Street).

    Their one and only goal was winning the 2010 mid term Congressional elections. After that, the money dried up.
     
  11. Hoosier8

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    Ah, you have the liberal meme down pat.
     
  12. Ronstar

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    lol!!!! never gonna happen
     
  13. Johnny-C

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    And we continue to disagree. So be it.
     
  14. Johnny-C

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    Of course. Any relatively astute American could see the manufactured craziness the Tea Party ultimately became.

    It's a MESS, unreasonableness tainted with racism. (Disgusting.)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Correct. It's too 'extreme' to go much further.
     
  15. Shiva_TD

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    No it doesn't and never has. It has requirements to address the recruiting of those historically subjected to discrimination and to ensure that they are treated equally in the employment practices of an enterprise.

    Everything you're read that claims it forces an enterprise to hire those historically subjected to discrimination is pure racist political propaganda. I worked for major defense contractors for over 30 of my 45 year career and none of them were ever forced to employ anyone but qualified individuals and they achieved the goals of Affirmative Action without any mandates on hiring. The focus was always on recruitement practices to simply get more people to apply for open positions. From that pool the most qualified individuals were selected without regard to race or gender.
     
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    <<<<EXCERPT<<<< BOLD MINE; REVA <<<<<<<<<<<


    Lets see 'why would anyone mistake the tea party for anything but a racist organization' ? I know more about the tea party than the average joe and I did not think they were racist. So I will do what most of the PF haters don't do, research the subject before making a more detailed comment. I will return!

    reva


    Ok I checked out a few sites, my preliminary conclusion from a very small sample is that the tea party mission is not at all raciest. However I did see a few (not the majority) of apparent racist members judging by their signs. More later.

    reva
     
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    "Tea Party bald faced racists"? Really, why do you believe that? First of all the Tea Party is virtually a dead issue, quite like many other movements in the past 5 years. It began as a simple protest against over government, over taxation, loss of rights provided by the Constitution. As with many movements it was taken over by radicals. However, what is left of the Tea Party does not resemble a group of racists. I simply don't know what you people base this accusation on.

    They are no more worse than the radical left that constantly verbally assaults Republicans, Centrists, Moderates and Libertarians. In other words anyone who is not a radical left wing Democrat.

    What we need is more moderates. You all blame the Congress for not working together, being Bipartisan. But, the far left and far right voters, citizens, can't even work together, respect one another.

    And as far as racism, isn't it possible that there are those that are racist towards whites, Mexicans, Chinese, and so on? Racism isn't only a Black issue. I for one am sick of hearing it. Enough. I didn't grow up with racism, I live in a community will very little racism in my observation and also according to my African American neighbors of 30 years. I have observed police profiling of minorities and complained to the City. , they didn't seem to care or change anything. This is why we need to complain to our Mayors, Chief of Police, and start voting them out of office, it isn't only Blacks, it is young adults, other minorities that are targeted and it must stop. Also, we must force change in our criminal justice system. Do away with private prisons, make drug use a misdeamenor not a felony. Stop charging people for Probation visits and drug testing when they don't even have a job and can't pay the fees. The entire system sets the offender up for failure. This needs to stop.
     
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    Most liberals would claim me a racist. I wouldn't. I love my friends no matter what race,creed, or gender. I think many of the minority are far more racist than I. Can you imagin outcryccccccccccxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ....man those pain pills make me sleel xaz...AAH'

    sleeplt

    nap time..sorry

    reva
     
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    The Tea Party is a grass roots movement that will continue to change the game.

    Good Common Sense never goes out of style with the Sane among us.

    "Hey" I love Sarah Palin, she is a Warrior for common sense leadership in America.

    It's you side that trumps up all the bs astro turf like occupy wall street funded and supported

    by the likes of george soros and his ilk.

    It's funny how the left is being manipulated against wall street by the biggest wall street man in the world.

    Look at the mess and the trash that the occupy wall street bunch left and was made up of.

    Tea Party People are clean and decent and they don't leave trash every where they go.

    Just like everything else with the left, they talk it, they don't walk it.

    You lefties think the mid terms were bad,

    just wait till 2016. The Tea Party is going to kick liberal azz and take names.
     
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    Very nice. I know that offense is a best defense.
    So, according to you, people who disagree with government sponsored racist policies are racists.
    people who are at disadvantage for getting government benefits are those who should be blamed.

    "It has requirements to address the recruiting" = recruit more AA people or lose contract.
    2+3 = 3+2
    Are you sure you are using human logic or you just trying to reassert he power?
     
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    Did you say 'anything' truly quantifiable in the above?
     
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    If I remember right a lot of conservatives had a lot of issues with Clinton, and if I am recalling properly he is white. Conservatives opposing liberal ideas is not a new thing because he is black.
     
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    Heck, a lot of libs had issues with Clinton. Does that make them racist since he was our 'first black President'?
     
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    The belief that "anti-discrimination = discrimination" is a myth propagated by racist hate groups like Stormfront, the KKK and Aryan Nations. The propaganda is racist regardless of who repeats it.

    Federal Affirmative Action guidelines, that addresses historic racism in America, establishes anti-discrimination polices that do not discriminate.

    We can compare employee recruitement to seaching for a specific weight of a rock. If we only look in a pile of white rocks eventually we'll find enough white rocks for what we need but that is discriminatory because it only looks in the pile of white rocks. If we look in two piles of rocks, one white and one black, we'll still find enough rocks for what we need but some will be white and some will be black. That is non-discriminatory because all of the rocks are being checked for proper weight to meet our needs.

    Yes, in some cases where the employers had historically looked in only the "white pile of rocks" they might need to compensate by only looking in the "black pile of rocks" to correct their previous discrimination but in the end there will be a balance. "I looked in the white pile last week and so now I'm looking in the black pile this week" is not discriminatory because both piles of rock are being looked at equally.

    There are no quotas related to the number of white and black rocks but instead Affimative Action only requires that "employers" look in both piles of rocks.
     
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    BS, race based legislation is the definition of racism by authority.
     

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