Teach Race & Race Relations in School - No / Yes / why

What are you talking about?

 

There are none so blind as will not see.
Shrug not my problem.

 

You've already proven there is nothing to see as yet.

 

It sounds like you're....

 

Nothing except hundreds perhaps thousands of parents besieging their school boards about the CRT garbage their kids are taking home from school.

 

So please - show us some examples. I don't think I'm asking for anything ridiculous. I don't doubt that there are thousands of parents upset by CRT - but because we also have millions believing that the election was rigged, I need to see something more than beliefs.

 

Yes, with a liberal and open discussion on the subject, rather than concepts which cannot be falsified, thus preventing students from being able to engage in critical thinking.

 

The heart of the problem with CRT is that it is in opposition to liberalism. That may be fine at a university level or discussing the fine legal points, as those who engage at that level are capable of expressing it correctly and arguing against it carefully. Elementary school students are not equipped, and most teachers, and CRT trainers, are ill-equipped.

From FIRE: https://www.thefire.org/13-important-points-in-the-campus-k-12-critical-race-theory-debate/

1. A biracial high school student in Las Vegas was allegedly singled out in class for his appearance and called derogatory names by his teacher. In a lawsuit, the student’s family alleges he was labelled an oppressor, told denying that status was “internalized privilege,” and told he needed to “unlearn” the Judeo-Christian principles imparted by his mother. When he refused to complete certain “identity confession” assignments, the lawsuit claims, the school gave him a failing grade. He has had to attend counseling.
2. Third grade students in California were forced to analyze their racial and other “identities,” rank themselves according to their supposed “power and privilege,” and were informed that those in the “dominant” culture categories created and continue to maintain this culture to uphold power.
3. Parents in North Carolina allege that middle school students were forced to stand up in class and apologize to other students for their “privilege.”
4. Buffalo public schools teach students that all white people perpetuate systemic racism and are guilty of implicit racial bias.
5. Elementary children at the Fieldston School in Manhattan were sorted by race for mandatory classroom exercises.
6. A head teacher in Manhattan was caught on tape acknowledging that the curriculum at his school teaches white students that they’re inherently “evil” and saying, “we’re demonizing white people for being born.”

 

Ok. What is true? What if I disagree with what you believe is true and share my own truth? How do we arrive at the actual truth? In education, it would be liberal and open dialog. In CRT, your truth and my truth are not falsifiable. I am a racist because I am white and you are oppressed because you are not. That is the truth.

 

That is not what Democrats want to discuss. And on slavery, they own all of it. YES they even departed the USA blaming slavery.
Democrats own the teaching profession so they discuss what they alone want discussed. Here in the USA that is.

 

Well, Robert, you may well be correct.

 

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/l...genda/71-92cb54c9-926b-4aba-97f2-4fe5ac574321

 

Claiming that you must teach Critical Race Theory in order to teach about race and race relations is like claiming that you have to teach astrology in order to teach astronomy.

Radical Liars Struggling to get their lies straight:

• Teachers union chief: We don’t teach Critical Race Theory.
• Teachers union: Teaching Critical Race Theory is important.

 

Did you read the link?

 

Followed that link. Along with other links that were in your link and followed those links also. I was particularly drawn to the "Emancipation Curriculum". Thinking to myself, ok, must be about Lincoln. Boy was I surprised. And highly disgusted. Applying such a name to the curriculum alone is disgusting enough considering the connotations. As if they're needing emancipated again/still.

For example this school is teaching these things to grades pre-k through 12 grade. Pre-K shouldn't even be learning ANYTHING that was listed in that crap. Absolutely nothing. Hell, some of the stuff in there shouldn't even be taught at all. Furthermore instead of "illegal aliens" or "undocumented workers" or the normal things that illegal aliens are called it is going to call them "guestworkers" or "New American". You can't tell me that is not indoctrination to further a leftist agenda and is neutral in any way shape or form. Additionally much of what is being taught in that curriculum should be taught in either World History for high schoolers or better yet in college.

Pre-K-12 should be about the basics. A general overview. That's it. School is meant to teach children enough to survive adulthood and give them enough options to learn from to get interested in making a career out of via college or trade school. It should NOT be about pushing leftist (or right wing) agenda's.

There is much more about this that disturbs me but for now that is good enough for a start.

 

During one all-hands training session, the details of which I have obtained through a whistleblower, Morrell claimed that America “is built on racism” and that all Americans are guilty of “implicit racial bias.” She argued that “America’s sickness” leads some whites to believe that blacks are “not human,” which makes it “easier to shoot someone in the back seven times if you feel like it.” Morrell, who earned her Ed.D. from the University of Buffalo, said that the solution is to “be woke, which is basically critically

conscious,” citing a pedagogical concept developed by Marxist theoretician Paolo Freire holding that students must be trained to identify and even eventually overthrow their oppressors.

https://www.city-journal.org/buffalo-public-schools-critical-race-theory-curriculum

 

Now @Pants is going to fall back and claim these are isolated. anecdotal incidents not at all indicative of the vast majority of the public schools and can safely be ignored. He claims he is not asking for much, but there will never be enough.

 

After having gone through the 'training', I'm hoping teachers do not adopt this. Thanks for sharing, and I'll be following the progress.

 

Thank you for posting the Fire article - it is long but thorough and goes into both sides of the discussion about the bills proposed and passed regarding CRT. I think the most appropriate statement from it was the fact that both sides of the discussion are misinformed about the actual contents of the bills and are actually talking past one another.

For the record, I am fully in support of the NC bill prohibits teaching that promotes:
(1) One race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex.
(2) An individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
(3) An individual should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment solely or partly because of his or her race or sex.
(4) An individual’s moral character is necessarily determined by his or her race or sex.
(5) An individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.
(6) Any individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress.

 

Thank you for posting, but I have already addressed the FIRE article with another poster. But in both cases, I find it interesting that the chosen passage from the article is this one. It certainly doesn't summarize the intent or entirety of the article. I would recommend everyone read the entire thing.

 

You've made my point for me. True history - not interpretations of it - should be taught. It is my belief that facts be shared with students, not indoctrination. They should not be told how to think - they should be given the facts of our history and encouraged to talk about their feelings about it.

 

FIRE is for open and liberal dialogue. CRT is opposed to that. It is one of the core tenets.

 

I think the military has done a good job teaching race relations, although it's called something else this days. Especially after a lot of racial strife in the early 70's. The military also has a week or two indoctrination class when one is stationed overseas to teach or alert of the different customs of the host nation. Again that is called something else these days.

By school, I take you mean high school or elementary school. From what I seen with my kids, then grand kids, and now a couple of great grand kids is the younger kids play with each other in their games either at recess at school or at home. They don't seem to give race a thought, I'd leave it at that.

In high school, I don't know. Perhaps in U.S. History it could be. Looking back when my kids were in high school, then the grand kids, their friends were very diverse race wise and even in marriage wise. So I don't know. Perhaps what I'm afraid of is we have a community, neighborhood, etc. where no one really thinks about race. Of course there are a lot of retired military living around me and I'm also retired. So why try to make these kids race conscious when they're not?

Then again I may be living in an area that is fairly unique. The life style I led, my kids led was completely different than say in the civilian world.

 

No.

Race has been completely weaponized by the left, which is entirely predictable and expected - even if most garden variety Democrats and leftists have no idea how they are being manipulated.

The communists weaponized identity politics over 100 years ago to kill off the land owners; Hitler of course did it with non-aryans; Mao used a variety of tactics to pit one group against another; in India they have their caste system; South Africa; etc...

It's revolution, control and manipulate the herd 101.

 

I voted "Yes", BUT, only if race subjects are taught based on SCIENCE and FACTS.

Differences in human physiology peculiar to the various races is taught usefully in physiology, biology, and, GENETICS. Characteristics of the races is comprehensively examined in world history courses, as well as anthropology and archeology studies. It's not some great mystery what the differences between the races are... one need only examine all the information that has been accumulated and researched exhaustively for many, many years....

Race relations is covered fully in history courses also, and should be added to courses in civics which compare and contrast the laws and protections afforded to members of the various races in different countries and cultures.