Teachers claim hundreds from high school will graduate even though they shouldn't

Time for contraceptives in the water supply.

 

It's time for real discipline in our schools ... real and meaningful discipline. If it was up to me I would implement the following:

1. Cell phones would be banned from the schools. If they bring them in they will be confiscated for the remainder of the school year.

2. Students who commit violence toward a teacher, administrator, or a student will be permanently expelled from public schools.

3. Detention would involve working in the cafeteria cleaning dishes, working with the janitors nights and weekends cleaning bathrooms and classrooms, or a garbage brigade picking up trash off the streets on weekends.

4. Chronically disruptive students would have to go to a boot camp type school where they would live for at least 2 weeks. The students would be charged for this service.

5. If those discipline measures don't work the student would be expelled permanently from the school district. This includes students who refuse to do their school work. They can earn their GED on their own time if they want to.

IMO this would bring US schools back into the top 5 in the world ... perhaps even higher.

 

you are so wrong, we have Conservative burning crosses in kids arms, telling them they will go to hell if they to not believe in their God, ect....

supporting equal rights for all regardless of gender or race is not proselytizing

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And where do you teach? What's your experience in our public schools?

I'd ask for some form of proof to support your statements but we both know you just made them up out of thin air.

Repeat after the proselytizing leftys ... "Barack Hussein 0bama ... mmm mmm mmm ..."

 

It is too late for that.

 

Education is a federal issue

 

Making changes that are detrimental........

 

I have two close relatives that are teachers and I went to public schools

did you go to private schools or public?

children have always had to learn the names of the Presidents, just cause Obama is black doesn't make it proselytization to make them learn about him

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Quite the opposite. It's a local issue. School districts elects boards of education and levee taxes on the community. It is they, in cooperation with the teachers and community, who approve the curriculum, books, rules and just about everything a school does. The federal government has no legal say in anything unless they take money from the feds, which always has strings attached.

 

One more thing should be added to your list: All children should be tested, and if the tests find that the student will not be able to keep up, that student-- no matter what color, should be put in special education where they can learn at their own pace. School districts hesitate to put black children in special education because parents scream "racism; so they sit in class with the rest of the kids who they can't keep up with.

 

They also need to test all children, and if the tests find that a student--no matter what color, can't keep up, they need to be placed in special education. School districts are hesitant to put some children in special education because mama will scream racism.

http://newsone.com/1509105/black-children-special-education/

 

you're almost on the right track with this "expel 10-30%" of students... but instead of expulsion we need a 3 tier school system, the "smart kids" who excel at learning which will make up a small portion of kids, the "average" kids who if disruption is removed from their classes will learn just fine with a teacher, and the "trouble" kids who are the ones you're mentioning disrupt it for all the other kids and drag them down and propagate the behavior issues... problem is, people scream when their kid doesn't get to go to the "smart kids" school and they scream and fuss when their kid is labeled the "trouble" kid and gets sent to another school... nobody has the stomach to solve the problem...

expelling kids is the easy fix, its why many charter schools end up having better performing kids, because they are freely able to expel those kids and send them back to the public schools, so the success of many charter schools can be directly related to this single issue, it has nothing to do with them being better "teachers", they are just more effective once we remove the disruptions that drag the entire class down, and those students left will naturally succeed when given the chance... but we can't just get rid of the kids entirely, those are the kids that will cost us the most to teach, those are the kids who need the super small class rooms (my plan was no more than 4-5)... these are the kids who we essentially need pseudo-parents for, they need the same teacher every single school year, not to be passed along to the next, they need the consistency in their life...

now as kids improve or decline you need a system that responds quick and moves the kids to the correct school, its not a static position once they get it, we need to keep it dynamic, many students will have to stay in the "trouble" school because its the only environment they will succeed, but others will surely move up and through the system after we stabilize them to the point they can now prosper with less intervention... and I have no doubt once we separate the trouble kids from the average kids, you'll slowly over time have more advance and move up to the smart kids level of education, all naturally on their own once they were given the chance...

I've gone into far more detail on this in other threads, but the problem in my own community and from feedback with others, is nobody has the stomach to essentially directly label the kids and say they don't belong here... the screams of racism are usually the first to come, followed by "my child deserves the same" which is true, but they haven't earned it, and they can't simply be thrown into the other schools because they ruin them for the other students... its going to be a LONG time before anyone comes along with the balls to stand up to the screams of racism and will keep pushing forward and make the chances we need to give the most students the best chance...

good luck, you're going to need it!

 

I agree with much of what you've said. The bold above is only part of the problem though. Once those misbehaving kids are removed from the regular classroom, state law requires that they still receive an education. When placed in an "alternative school," the costs to educate those kids goes up substantially. Teachers that can control and discipline disruptive kids demand higher pay, because they could find work elsewhere with less stress. Sometimes, psychologists and other intervention costs come into play as well. State legislators are less likely to find funds when the cost to result ratio is so out of kilter. Legislators like the idea of competition and want to reward that monetarily, and also punish monetarily when results aren't to their liking, robbing funds from the very schools that need more intervention and services to do their job. Often paying for those alternative services comes at the expense of the regular classroom because there is only so much money in the budget. It's not like teachers can control the raw materials they are expected to turn into masterpieces, but that's exactly who gets punished when the students' achievement doesn't rise to the level set by those same legislators.

I think we have the whole public school/ private school thing backwards. Instead of parents paying for private schools in order to ensure their children get an education, public school should be that place and parent involvement with the child should be rewarded. Private schools should be the last chance for disruptive kids to get an education, and their parents should have to pay for it, or deal with the kid at home. If they can't afford private education, they need to discipline their kid and make sure the kid knows the parent expects him/her to behave and learn in school.

 

No amount of "reform" will fix the failed public educations system. The thing should be scrapped and liquidated.
Just divide the entire education budget into vouchers for the parents and let any college graduate open a small lightly regulated small K-12 small school for parents to fund and monitor directly.

 

This post made me think of something my dad used to say… "Even the person that finishes last in medical school is still a doctor." Not every college graduate is capable of operating a school, so there would need to be some kind of regulation. That being said, I wouldn't have a problem with more options in public schools, or even in private schools, as long as the kids are prepared to contribute to society once they finish their education. The real issue is that parents of disruptive students have no skin in the game. They are free to raise their child as feral as they like and then expect the school system to turn those little devils into productive citizens. That's just not likely to happen. It's much more likely that the kid is going to end up in the criminal justice system and costing the tax payer more money to incarcerate them.

My view on this may not be the most popular, but I think we have to do some leveling of instruction- allowing the brightest to study at a higher level, the average to learn enough to gain employment at a middle class sustaining job or higher, and the marginal to be trained in some kind of trade. However, all of them, with the exception of the handicapped, should end up with employable skills. There would also have to be a way to move between levels, but that would have to be at the lowest levels in elementary school, or otherwise there would be no way to catch up.

We have to get past the idea that we are all equal, because we simply aren't all the same. What we do have to ensure is that everyone has an equal opportunity, and that rests on more than just the school system to provide.

 

People who don't work in education really have no idea.

 

Imo, the result of that plan will be that the size of the voucher will be inadequate to pay for a students tuition. And that well to do parents will spend money in addition to the voucher to pay for their kids to attend good schools.... And those schools will contain only other children of patents able to afford the extra tuition to attend... And parents who cannot afford to pay extra tuition will have no good options

 

Oh please. You do not know what you are talking about.

 

Not all credentialed teachers can teach, and even those who can are often unable to do so in a public school. Provisional credentialing might be reasonable, but the parents will always be the best, however imperfect, regulators of their children's education.

 

Their Physical Education requirements to graduate.
Sports and drill team, to name a few, satisfy the requirements.

 

That's because its all about money at the college level when it comes to sports; education be damned, the football team has to win in order to attract people to their games and sell TV/Radio rights. Sports players recruited from high schools are given preference over those who truly worked hard to get into college. Their grades are "taken care" of by the college/University so they pass and remain eligible to play on the team. Money rules in college sports.

 

I completely agree with this. Now, if we could find a way to help all parents be good regulators of their children' education the problem would be well on its way to being solved. Education seriously has to be a partnership between the parent, the child, and the school.

 

Sure I do......

"Vouchers can be used for Muslim Schools? OOPS!"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/7/6/1106793/--Vouchers-can-be-used-for-Muslim-Schools-OOPS

 

During the riots in Baltimore the networks reported that the budget for their very bad school system was $18K/year. IOW, just a few parents could fund a small school. The best teachers would be selected very fast. Many of the teachers now considered ineffective might do very well with responsibility for 5 - 10 students, and no vice principals et al to gum up the works.

The wealthy will always be able to pay more. It does not always buy more.

 

For once I agree with you. There is hope for us yet!!