Tears on her wedding day: Heartbreaking pictures capture moment forlorn teenage bride was forced to

What exactly you propose? I presume you have some practical solution, since you are talking about empathy there? Share it, use it, even - since you apparently have one to be shaming others. Be more than welcome to teach me how to make her life better, o wise-whoever-you-are.

 

You're part of the problem, people like you who don't give a damn when young girls are practically sold off to old men.

 

any women ´d think first what if she were my daughter...

 

Exactly, however you'd think empathy for this young girl should not only be limited to people who have their own children.

 

Ninian, any comment on this video?

 

of cos to any NORMAL human , but a women with daughters especially

 

Oh really? What do you know about me? What do you know about girl? What do you know about my country? When was the last time you was in my country? Why do you even dare to assume, that lives of other people - sentient people, capable of taking care of themselves, capable of solving their own problems - is YOUR business? Who gave you the right, who gave you the obligation, who gave you assumption that this may - even slightly - be your business?

And if you think it is your buiness - give there the solution. Enlighten me.

 

I know what you post.

So if you don't want to be seen as someone who does not give a damn about young girls being married off to old men.... then don't make up excuses for him.

 

I am not your personal commentator - if you really interested, reask tomorrow - when it won't be 1 AM and when I will be in mood for having conversation with you.

 

"reask tomorrow" ok, to the same story

 

Oh, so I should look like a blabbing idiot, ignoring the laws and just sayin 'yeah, let's go to Chechnya, find this man, murder him and save the princess'.

World does not works like that. I came there not to excuse him, but to give a pill of reality for you people. The harsh reality, where if nobody complains about anything, and non around knows for sure, what is going on - people legally are not allowed to act. I do not know that man's exact age, I do not know why this marriage happened, if he was or was not divorsed with his first wife, if this is some criminal marriage, marriage for benefits, some sort of showing off by chechens, or even a marriage out of love - I do not know, and I do not care the next day after I read about this event - because my empathy won't affect anything. I know that Ayaz Nizami in Pakistan is getting prosecuted for blasphemy, that he objects the accusations, and I did what I can do - informed people about his case - on that forum included - and signed the recent anti-blasphemy petition on Change.org. Because he raises his voice, he fights, he complaints, he objects.

While nor this girl,
Nor her family,
Not a bloody single person involved had made any complaints, informed police, or applied to higher court or even confirmed that there is something wrong with marriage.

You can't make charges against somebody, basing them on your assumptions - and your empathy changes nothing. It does not makes anyone feel hot. Does not makes anyone feel cold. Does not creates any basis for legal action. Does not gives any solutions. Does nothing. Literally nothing - except for giving you opportunity to show off having a 'higher moral ground'.

I explained situation - explained why there is no case against this man, and who needs to be taking efforts for a case to be. If they don't do it - I do not even care, why - out of fear, lazyniess, content with situation, love, hate, whatever their reasons are - it is their problem, only they can solve it. Read me again: without effort from Kheda or her family of at least people who personally know her - nothing. Can be. Done. NOTHING.

So yes, feel free to call me a heartless bitch for not being eager to tear my head off and snap on one of these people's necks to THINK FOR THEM and DO EVERYTHING FOR THEM while I am not asked do, nor that I am capable of that anyway. They have own brains, can think and make decidions for themselves, and do with their lives whatever they want. If they - let's assume that indeed, marriage criminal and everything is awful - so, if they want to live a life with crime in it, and content with it, or too much of a cowards to stand for themselves - I am not oblieged to be their saviour. They have laws, brains and friends for that.

Want to continue flashing your "moral superiority" by saying how much compassion you have for that girl - and then doing nothing anyway?

 

poor Ninian.... so frustrated with the world... he's going to hide in his ivory tower, cut himself off from caring about anything or anyone because he feels impotent.

When you turn away and you pretend you don't see, you're complicit.

 

Again, if you dare criticizing my approach - present alternative, present solution. What would've YOU did? Or even literally CAN do, maybe, in your current position?

 

I can do nothing but express my utter disgust, however at least I don't try to plug my political agenda with a nice propaganda pitch like your buddy Jeanette.

and I will never turn away and pretend I don't see

 

It is very charming, that you share some facts about yourself. I guess it is my turn now.

I always doubt. This is a rule of my life - I always leave a space for doubt. I sure am curious, eager to probe unknown, but I never use absence of knowledge as canvas to draw my assumptions on. I have a graphic tables and comissions for drawing. When I do not know something - I try to learn it. Research, investigate, think - that sort of thing.

And I am terribly displeased, where other people neglect opportunities to do so. Make mistakes, misinterpritations, wrong assumptions, that grow like a rolling snowball - until they are so big, that only thing that can be told to these people - would not, for example, pass the censorship on this forum.

I do not say that you, right now, is being wrong so much - but you got to admit, there are people who get stupid and ignorant. They surround themselves with these false assumptions, like with a wall... And lock themselves in. Unable to get out - because they do not doubt themselves, unless reality kicks them in the kidneys. Am I expected to help them all?
"Good evening, I will be your Prophet for tonight - THINK FOR YOURSELF!"?

I, when I can, present the things I can, to make situation more clear - to help people have a new look at it, and compare it to their opinion, possibly do even more research, going further than I did - so they can share their findings in their turn. Instead you complain and call my actions a propaganda - telling you what laws country has, what is illegal there, what is a crime and what is not - is not a propaganda. It's called enlightening. For your own good. If you doubt my words - say so, ask for sources, make your own research.

And feel free to correct me, if in that message I was somehow wrong.

 

N I admire your tenacity to analyse and consider, but just because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't think for myself. This girl looks miserable in these photo's, he threatened to kidnap her and there were important women in Moscow who petitioned on her behalf... that is not a sign of a willing bride. This is not even about polygamy, it's simply a man abusing his power and everyone looking the other way because she's just a young girl who does not matter... to them.

 

Well, as matter of fact - it did.

One of reasons of 'retirement' of Pavel Astakhov - the man who actually excused this marriage and insulted women living on Caucasus, was his support for this marriage - along with his negligence of duties he had as Ombudsman of Children's Rights in RF, ban on US citizens adopting children from RF and his unprofessionalsm in handling survivors of tradegy on Syamozero lake. Maybe his replacement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Kuznetsova - will do better, and actually work on this case.

Also, before you point at English wiki mentioning her opinion on telegony - she did numerous refutations about statement she once made - as matter of fact, it was made in 2009. Generally she did nothing yet that would've reached my ears on it's own, but Wiki says she so far concentrated on pedophilia and family abuse. Maybe her colleague from Human Rights department - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatyana_Moskalkova - will be more fitting and willing to work on case of Kheda.

Again, doubt more often - do not just assume that people do not see, or do not remember things. Even if, for example, I did not knew about Kheda when was signing petition against Astakhov - for me, the adoption ban and mishandling of survived children from Syamozero summer camp was enough.

And as for mattering or not... How many unhappy marriages are in your country, or even among people you know? I - have no idea. But maybe you do. And I wish you luck.

After all, each of us can make world a better place.

 

You can't compare an unhappy marriage with this....this is a forced marriage, it doesn't matter what she wants, she's an object, a piece of furniture, he wants her and no one cares what she thinks about it. Big difference, besides people who are unhappy in their marriage was actually happy on the day they got married.

We don't force 17 year old girls to marry men in their 50's because he threatens to kidnap her, it's sick, and if it would happen certainly wouldn't turn a blind eye against this sort of abuse of power.

 

Sure you do not, ever. Absolutely, 100% there is no. Way. Person. Can. Be forced. Into marriage. At all.

Good morning, coffee is on the table, next to a tomes and tomes of stories about forced marriages in western society. Bad, unjust, unlawful marriages, that happen everywhere. Leave your pseudo moral highround and accept fact, that it's a problem. And problem my country eventually will solve, now stop nagging me. If you think, that living in a federation, with few dozen of subjects, more than hundred various cultures - with various customs - nearly all of whom want to have the laws adjusted to these customs - is EASY - try getting there and living there. And governing there.

Otherwise - again, either you have solution, or there is no point in further discussion. Exchanging expressions of how sorry we feel for Kheda won't make her life better. Kapish?

Because otherwise - it appears you just feel uncanny from having my coutry being so similar to world you live in - with lots of decent people, plenty of corrupted politicians, and laws abused by people with criminal mentality for sake of achieving their goals, being they political, financial or sexual.

 

I can say with 100% certainty that if a 17 year old girl was forced into marriage under threat of being kidnapped by one of our government officials he will be stopped, the public will be outraged and many will reach out to help her. It's just the way Australians are, they care.

I daresay that perhaps you have been conditioned to turn a blind eye in Russia

 

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...age-australia-gender-equality-has-long-way-go
https://www.ag.gov.au/CrimeAndCorruption/HumanTrafficking/Pages/ForcedMarriage.aspx

One of things I learned on lessons of historical comparativistics in university - existence of law against crime signifies existence of crime.

Evidently, most of australians care.

 

Yes it's horrible, young girls are sent abroad to marry older men against their will it happens, it's still wrong, it's still sick.

no one is saying... it happens elsewhere so it's ok.

also note she received help

 

Exactly, and nobody is objecting that. Point being - it takes time to solve these things.

As to remind you - quarter of century we all lived in a vast socialistic Union, and only eight years ago de facto ended second Chechen war. It was not as bloody as first, but it still hurt administration of Chechen republic. It still, so far, is a region that federal government deals with very carefully. It will take time to make life better.

 

yes, in the meantime people like me will speak when we see injustice and never turn a blind eye, because if we all stay quiet nothing will change.

 

Splendid, and while you 'speak' on forum with 3,5 anonymous on it - petition that I signed sent our incompetend ombudsman in retirement, and rally I went on gave start for an investigation of prime minister's corruption. Let's not be turning this into a competition, all right?

Besides - I am glad you are having a blast today, but I need some sleep tonight, because on monday - which is already there for four hours for me - I should get on working on comissions, instead of spending half of day sleeping.

...but to leave on positive note - migrating seagulls arrived in my town.