"Televangelists, megachurches tied to Trump approved for millions in pandemic aid"

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    "Televangelists, megachurches tied to Trump approved for millions in pandemic aid"

    "Megachurches and other religious organizations with ties to vocal supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump were approved for millions of dollars in forgivable loans from a taxpayer-funded pandemic aid bailout, according to long-awaited government data released this week"

    "A White House official said: "This program was about supporting jobs of all backgrounds and political affiliations. We didn’t discriminate based on one ideology or another."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/te...YB?ocid=msnews

    With even raising consideration of the Establishment Clause, this is bad, the local schmuck who runs the neighborhood restaurant who didn't get a loan was beat out by a televangelists because the televangelist supported Trump?

    A televangelist, got to say it again, a televangelist, the Gemstone families of America, whew, how does one honestly justify that one?
     
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    All kinds of organizations got money. Trying to make this about Trump is quite ridiculous.
     
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    Just curious as to the basis you would exclude them. To do so because they are religious would be discriminatory.
     
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    BUT it's ALL about PRESIDENT Trump 24x7.
     
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    Please provide proof that they only received the loan because they support Trump.

    Lately I have been seeing all of these articles complaining about people with connections to Trump or his administration receiving PPP loans. What seems to be a common exclusions is how many people these organizations employs. These articles act as if they do not employ anybody and that the company was getting money without cause.

    Are you just as outraged over companies associated with Pelosi, Schumer, or Schiff getting loans....and there are many that did as well.

    It does not matter if you feel a televangelist is honorable work or not. The fact is that they DO employ people and those people were impacted by the country's shut-down. Are you going to deny a person the ability to feed their family just because you do not agree with their bosses religious or political beliefs?
     
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    Yeah, more of his drain the swamp BS.
     
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    Agreed. I'm sure there are religious entities out there that support Biden. Businesses can be of any type.
     
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    Plenty of restaurants got money, not sure what that local guy in the neighborhood's problem is.
     
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    So are you saying that only companies that support Democrats should have gotten loans?
     
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    uOn what bases should they be discriminated against? Are all businesses that supported the President suppose to be excluded?
     
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    Well if you read the article you would have found that it was no coincidence that many of the selected "organizations" got money, and keep in mind, we are talking televangelists here, not the small business the money was suppose to be aimed at, but televangelists

    It is about Trump
     
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    Well, not according to the Establishment Clause, but regardless, are televangelists the small businesses the money was supposedly aimed at inorder to maintain the economy? And the select televangelists being supporters of Trump was no coincidence
     
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    Yeah we get it, you don't like televangelists. But you can't discriminate against them just because you don't like them. Are they a business with employees and did they get impacted by the virus?
     
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    my local church got PPP money as well.....just because they are televangelisgt doesn't mean they aren't small businesses. They have employees and payroll to make as well...just because you don't like the business doesnt mean they can't get the loans
     
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    sorrry how does this violate the Establishment Clause?
     
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    There are different rules that apply based upon the size of the business. There are laws in place governing this. Both small and large businesses got loans. Do you have evidence that TVangelists supporting DT got loans and TVangelists supporting Biden didn't?
     
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    All the donations to BLM are going right into Biden’s coffers. Want to talk corruption?! Go look there please.
     
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    Business shakedowns reminiscent of Jesse Jackson's glory days.
     
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    If money was ONLY given to Christian religious organizations, then you would have an argument that they violated the Establishment Clause. However, I have no doubt that Muslim, Buddhist, Tao, and even atheists organizations received PPP funds as well.
     
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    I see, it is purely coincidence that the "organizations" mentioned in the article also just happen to be big overt supporters of Trump, several of them actually even having visited Trump or Pence

    Now can you offer anything to support your Pelosi, Schumer, or Schiff "whataboutism?"

    Yeah right, the Gemstones of America needed the loan "to feed their family," the idea behind the program was to aid those hurt by the pandemic, I don't thing TV televangelists quite compare to the local mom and pop businesses
     
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    No I think the money should all come to me.
     
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    Well if you have "no doubt" it should be easy for you to show us documentation or at least examples that the groups you mentioned got loans
     
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    You or the author of the article have provided NO proof that these organizations obtained these loan inappropriately. You just seem to be butthurt because they support Trump.
     
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    It would be illegal for the Federal Govt to discriminate against businesses based on their creed. it's would be a clear violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964...which the Dems did fight against
     
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    Yes. You act like Trump was writing them checks himself. The article is just ridiculous.
     
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