See, there ya go a gain INSISTING EVERY SINGLE WOMAN ON EARTH IS A CLONE OF ALL OTHER WOMEN. Which is a sign of total lack of interaction with women or you wouldn't think that way.
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,, no one is opposed to ultra sound!! Where TF did you get that!!! Pro-Choicers believe women have rights, the right to see an ultrasound OR NOT...her choice just like everyone else has.... Anti-Choicers believe, like RAPISTS, in FORCE, in FORCING women to see an ultra sound.. So sad you seem to see women as 'things" to do stuff to and not as actual humans...
LOL! UNCOMFORTABLE questions ??? Must be , you never seem able to answer them......must not have much of an argument ... kazenatsuWell-Known MemberDonor I see, so you'd rather avoid that uncomfortable question. kazenatsu, Yesterday at 9:49 AM Report
maybe, but like I said, that causes a delay in a rape victim getting an abortion what do you think about putting the plan B in all rape kits to reduce the number of abortions?
if she wants to see it, fine, she should not be forced to see it and pay to see it if neither she nor the doctor want it why do anti-choicers want to force people to have unnecessary medical procedures like vaginal probes?
Wow. You don't think this woman might have a few things on her mind, a few pending matters within the first 24 hours of A RAPE! She is in shock, in trauma, physical, mental and emotional trauma. She may not think logically or in any predictable pattern. Yeah, she gets to dilly dally, do whatever the hell she wants for the first few days, without you telling her what her priority list should be. The cops also have no business dictating to her when she should report to police station, when she should get to a hospital, when she should decide whether to submit to a rape kit or questioning. If her timing compromises their investigation, well that is too damn bad. Her Husband and family have no business deciding that they should be told, or what they should be told, or when. Don't you presume that she should NOT want the baby and that she should decide by the tick tock of the morning after pill! That is as arrogant as deciding that she should want to keep the baby. The reason I stress that these women need options, plenty of time and privacy is because they may literally still be in shock, and in poor condition to decide what to do and they don't need nosy opinionated blowhards offering to 'help' whether blowhards are in the family, among friends, or people named Kazenatsu on an internet forum. I think it is ironic that pro-lifers worry so about putting too much pressure or rush on a woman to abort, but you don't mind putting a victim of rape under much more pressure a whole lot earlier, to figure out what to do, before she may even have had a chance to talk to her husband, and let him digest this matter, let alone her. If she needs a month, lets give her a month. I did, and I have a wonderful son, because I did give her space. If you had your way, we definitely would not have the beautiful young man. Time to get over the trauma was what she needed to be clear headed enough to talk to me and let me help figure out what she wanted. that took weeks.
""""""""It's a lot harder when you have to go up to someone face-to-face and tell them "You should have been aborted."""" But it's easy for you to to go up to a RAPE victim face-to-face and tell them "you should have aborted sooner, you suffered NO harm from the rape so should have made the right decisions in a timely manner.....""" THAT is what YOU are saying and it looks like you don't think rape should be a crime since you contend that women aren't harmed by it …. You seem to deny that women who are raped are mentally and physically traumatized...…..you deny they are ever beaten , tortured, shot, stabbed, harmed so badly that they can't make immediate decisions, they may even be in a coma and/or shock.. That leaves me to believe you don't think rape should be a crime since you don't think it harms women.... IS THAT TRUE? C'mon, for once answer one of those INCONVENIENT questions....
We could have specific laws to handle those situations. I'm talking about if the woman is out jumping around, going to work, shopping at the mall, etc.
I don't suppose I - or anyone else - will ever understand how the hell a question founded on a fraudulent premise qualifies as an opinion.
""""""""It's a lot harder when you have to go up to someone face-to-face and tell them "You should have been aborted."""" But it's easy for you to go up to a RAPE victim face-to-face and tell them "you should have aborted sooner, you suffered NO harm from the rape so should have made the right decisions in a timely manner.....""" THAT is what YOU are saying and it looks like you don't think rape should be a crime since you contend that women aren't harmed by it …. You seem to deny that women who are raped are mentally and physically traumatized...…..you deny they are ever beaten , tortured, shot, stabbed, harmed so badly that they can't make immediate decisions, they may even be in a coma and/or shock.. That leaves me to believe you don't think rape should be a crime since you don't think it harms women.... IS THAT TRUE? C'mon, for once answer one of those INCONVENIENT questions.... To quote YOU : """I see, so you'd rather avoid that uncomfortable question.""" Care to address the ENTIRE post instead of avoiding it? But it's easy for you to go up to a RAPE victim face-to-face and tell them "you should have aborted sooner, you suffered NO harm from the rape so should have made the right decisions in a timely manner.....""" THAT is what YOU are saying and it looks like you don't think rape should be a crime since you contend that women aren't harmed by it …. You think raped women are "jumping around ?? WHAT TF does that mean? Ya, you won't answer that question either...….YOU CAN'T... And "specific laws" for every rape victim?? You REALLY THINK ALL RAPES ARE THE SAME ?????? They can be gauged and judged on some sliding scale??? That's nuts! You think rape VICTIMS should be controlled by laws ???!!! They are the VICTIMS....for gawdssake!
Read up a little on PTSD. My ex wife went to work per usual the next day, but she was a virtual shell of herself in couple of hours at the end of the day that I saw her. I knew something was very wrong, but I did not press her for long awhile. I wonder to this day how long she would have waited to tell me about the rape, but for the pregnancy... she was pro-life from the day met her. Now suddenly she starts talking about abortion. So we stalled the decision making process, first one week, then two weeks with appointments to learn more about all the options. Turns out one big reason she pushed for the abortion because she was scared I would leave her if she had this child and it was not mine. You judge these women because they are frozen, wrapped in denial, in confusion, in guilt and rage . You really don't know what the hell you are talking about here.
I'm thinking one thing that could help prevent many abortions is better technology that could do a cheap non-invasive DNA test on a pregnancy in the earliest stages to see if it matches up to the husband. It's a shame that a woman would get an abortion thinking the pregnancy might be from her rape trauma, when it's also possible it might have been from her husband. Could you imagine aborting your fetus needlessly, and never even knowing if it was necessary? (I suppose if they really wanted to, they could find out after the fetus was taken out, but there'd be no point, it would be too late after the fact, knowing at that point wouldn't change anything, might just further upset the woman if she found out the baby wasn't from her rapist)
btthegreat :""Read up a little on PTSD. My ex wife went to work per usual the next day, but she was a virtual shell of herself in couple of hours at the end of the day that I saw her. I knew something was very wrong, but I did not press her for long awhile. I wonder to this day how long she would have waited to tell me about the rape, but for the pregnancy... she was pro-life from the day met her. Now suddenly she starts talking about abortion. So we stalled the decision making process, first one week, then two weeks with appointments to learn more about all the options. Turns out one big reason she pushed for the abortion because she was scared I would leave her if she had this child and it was not mine. You judge these women because they are frozen, wrapped in denial, in confusion, in guilt and rage . You really don't know what the hell you are talking about here."" NICE SIDESTEPPING THE ISSUE and CHERRY PICKING OF A POST to block out those INCONVENIENT parts...Wow , you sure don't like INCONVENIENCE , do you??? I included the WHOLE post with those INCONVENIENT parts you don't like Here's the most important line: "" You really don't know what the hell you are talking about here.""
Steve King, a hero to those who think rape is not a big deal....maybe he's leading the way to de-criminalizing rape.....and might have a follower here in this thread... Seems to be some people who don't think rape harms women...
Pro-lifers do not believe rape is no big deal. They just don't believe abortion makes it less of a big deal. On the contrary, it seems to be Pro-Choicers who don't view rape as being as serious, because the woman can always just abort the product of her undesired pregnancy anyway, "no biggie". And besides, she's probably slept with more men than you can count, has a very active sex life you know, so what's one more? The notion that a rapist would be "stealing a woman's virtue" is completely foreign to most Pro-choicers. Instead you conflate that type of thing with non-consensual sex between boyfriend and girlfriend who have already been having sex numerous times and the woman didn't even say 'no', you put that in the same boat. So no, I would say it's really your side who doesn't view rape as being as serious.
Allowing a victim of rape more choices, a broader scope of ideas on how she should handle a resulting unwanted pregnancy does not makes the assault 'less of a biggie'. It just means she may not have to carry the fetus to term. You have an odd sense of respect for the victim, by limiting her options when she most needs them. I don't know what the hell this idea of a woman's virtue being stolen has to do with any of this. If she sees her virtue as being stolen, she gets to do that, whether she chooses to terminate a subsequent pregnancy or keep it to term. Whether a woman is a virgin or whether she has had several sex partners, if there was no consent, then she was raped. If the perpetrator is a stranger, a boyfriend or a spouse, if there was no consent, then she was raped. However broad or narrow the definition of rape may be, more choices for a victim on what to do if she gets pregnant, the better for her.
We're not even talking about more choices. We're talking about a longer time period to make some of those choices. Good grief! how much time does she need?
An illogical conclusion. And, as usual , no proof Pro-Choicers think rape is no big deal....in fact , much proof throughout this thread that they KNOW it's a big deal and goes way beyond whether the womn gets pregnant or not. But here is PROOF beyond any doubt that YOU don't think rape is a big deal. A statement right out of the 19th century. Blaming the victim. You just contended that ALL rape is nothing because women have had sex before, one of the most vile statements I have seen from Anti-Choicers. The idea that a woman loses her "virtue " because she was raped is so ignorant, antiquated , illogical, hard to believe anyone would say such an asinine thing in the 21 st century !!...UNEFFINGBELIEVABLE. DO let me know when you accept what century this is... Thank you for clearly showing how Anti-Choicers MINIMIZE the effects of rape on women AND blame the woman. Clearly it proves they do not want rape to be a crime..
Allowing a victim of rape more choices, a broader scope of ideas on how she should handle a resulting unwanted pregnancy does not makes the assault 'less of a biggie'. It just means she may not have to carry the fetus to term. You have an odd sense of respect for the victim, by limiting her options when she most needs them. I don't know what the hell this idea of a woman's virtue being stolen has to do with any of this. If she sees her virtue as being stolen, she gets to do that, whether she chooses to terminate a subsequent pregnancy or keep it to term. Whether a woman is a virgin or whether she has had several sex partners, if there was no consent, then she was raped. If the perpetrator is a stranger, a boyfriend or a spouse, if there was no consent, then she was raped. However broad or narrow the definition of rape may be, more choices for a victim on what to do if she gets pregnant, the better for her. As much time as she needs.....and luckily that is NOT up to YOU. I included the entire post that you had to cherry pick You are welcome
When you take away the time to digest the emotional, physical and mental trauma, you end up taking away a lot of choices. Choices about which friends and family to talk to and how much information to include so that they can help . You deprive the victim of time to get effective counseling to address PTSD and you definitely compromise on the quality of the decisions.
