Testimonies of those who changed....

Although this video isn't politically correct it expands on an option that people should know about because having more options can be very encouraging and inspirational.





Former LGBTQers Testify: If You No Longer Want to Be Gay or Transgender, You Don't Have to Be

In my opinion none of this contradicts what was shown to a near death experiencer about God's plans for the Gay community.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/christian-andreason.html#a11

 

Dennis....I don't understand your preoccupation with "near death". Is there a Church of the Near Death"? I have seen people die. My daughter works in hospice and has seen several die. Christians tend to go peacefully. Unbelievers seem to be frustrated. "To be absent from the body is to be present with God" is what I believe.

 

John 16:25
"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

I believe that the promise of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus speaking plainly of the Father in the future has to happen and I think that near death experience accounts are so easy for us to understand that they are a major fulfillment of this promise at this time in history.

 

thanks for that about changing. It's great to hear from folks who lived the lifestyle to admit that it is a lifestyle, and not "born that way"

I have no problem with people who choose to live the gay or cross-dresser lifestyle, but do not allow govt to treat that as anything other than a lifestyle choice.

 

It’s not a choice and you’re not seeing people here who have changed who they are. You’re seeing people who have changed their words and their actions. Sad to see people experience such conflict about their identity.

 

hmm, so you, not the actual people, know better. Let me guess, your politics lean left where you know better than others? You should be able to control people. Utterly sickening.

The folks in this video were sincere. They used to live a sexually deviant lifestyle and went back to how they were born. They are testament that if you choose a sexually deviant lifestyle (homosexual or cross-dressing), you can choose to go back to a normal lifestyle. You do not need to remain living the sexually deviant lifestyle.

But folks like you who for some reason need to believe that one is "born homosexual" or "born a cross-dresser", cannot permit the truth to be told.

 

Actually.... it is partly a choice........
and partly a result of forces set in motion long before we are even conceived.

The whole thing is complicated and an astonishing amount of evidence from parapsychology indicate how
important this question really is in terms of us understanding what the human spirit or soul really is and what
it can do and how it learns over much more than one lifetime.

http://allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
Christian Andreason, chapter 5:

The average C.E.O. of a fairly large company receives eleven million dollars per year for their services........
one of their primary services is to make sure that certain pieces of information do not get out to the general public......

... this house of cards depends of a rather dogmatic form of ATheism being taught at universities but
mathematics, String Theroy, The Cyclic Model of the Universe - Multiverse, The Anthropic Principle, the Law of Probability, and the new evidence of how fundamental or nearly fundamental energy behaves..... indicates that Evolution occurring in four dimensional space - time FIRST..... .is highly unlikely?!

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

That is the democrats lie. Show proof of your claims

 

Sweetie I don’t think you understand. Why would you voluntarily lose pockets?

As for the OP, I haven’t met any but good for them. The whole point of coming out is to have a personal experience where you are allowed to develop and understand these feelings you have about gender and sexuality. So good for them. I’m glad they had the space to think about and experiment with these ideas. Now I hope they can help encourage people to come out and develop other people who may be going through the same things as them.

 

It is a choice and that means one can stop. The problem is it has become a political agenda for democrats and they do it to condemn Christians

 

No they really can’t. They were always themselves, but they needed room and time to understand that about themselves. And hush. It’s always been political. You’re in the business of arguing politics. Everything is political. Your “boo hoo hoo poor Christians” is weird because being Christian shouldn’t be a political identity, yet you conflate it as if it was one. How strange.

 

So you agree it is not a choice and is used by democrats to attack Christians

 

Sure whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. Why is Christian a political identity for you?

 

It is democrats that make it that.

 

Well then that means that you can choose to stop being heterosexual. Tell us how that goes.

 

No. Only those Christians that try to claim otherwise. Others, like me, are not attacked, because we actually follow the WWJD mantra. At no point would he make a claim as to what they were or were not. He'd simply say follow me or don't and allow them to do the rest.

 

I always find these testimonials highly suspect. First they always come from the exact same place. These people want to be Christian 100% of the time. So that makes me think of the motive for becoming ex-gay is strictly driven by religion. I never hear of this from atheists or Buddhists or any other religious group. So therefore if it was anything but the religion that caused people to want to change we would see this amount of atheists or Buddhists and Hindus but we don't.

Another reason I find them highly suspect, every single testimonial I've heard from an ex gay man involved some sort of child abuse. Now I don't doubt for a minute child abuse can make you feel like you're gay even if you're really not. But I've never heard from anyone in this movement that just lived a normal childhood.

This is called transference. That's a term in psychology where someone shift the blame of something from themselves or from nobody to something or someone.

So because 100% of this comes from one particular religion, and 90% of the testimonies are almost exactly the same means there's probably a single writer. A single writer with an agenda.

The psychology of human belief is that if more people share my belief, than I'm more likely right. That's why they're recruiting. I don't see the LGBT recruiting, they're doing something else entirely.

I don't doubt for a minute that there are gay people among them that are trying to be straight. But it seems like the religion is using them. Much like AA. These aren't things to help you be a better person their recruitment tools and they work on people who are suffering the most.

Further this goes against God's message. Jesus said come As You Are. You are welcome with him, so when a church or religious group says you can't be gay they are saying Jesus is a liar.

This is what gay people hear. and seeing gay people talk about how they're not gay anymore to win over the affections of the social club called The Church is not comforting. it just further discredits whatever religion they're preaching about. You are not good enough to worship with them.

I think this is why more and more these days people are moving away from religion in the western world. Because of this pillar of Western Civilization is 100% wrong by its own rhetoric.

People like to blame the atheists and the liberals and the secularists for the moral degeneration of our society and that's because they don't want to take responsibility.

So really this all seems like a manipulative BS for a childish endeavor.

 

Absolutely Democrats and anti theists use this to attack Christianity.

But Christianity is moving toward acceptance of homosexuals. Which is a good thing, but it's also why he don't really hear about gay people anymore the only thing we really talk about is transgender people because that's the new frontier. And they use that to attack Christians. It's why the pride parade seems to get more and more degenerated every year, it's why we see things like 12 year old drag queens.

Yes this is being used to attack not really just Christians but traditional values. Traditional values include nationalism patriotism duty to one's country. And this is bigger than Democrats, I think Democrats are just being used as the tool because for most of our lives they were the more progressive side of things. It's more about far left. Or globalism. The ultimate enemy to globalism is the nation. So it's very foundation must be ripped out.

Discussing these ideas is great and we should discuss these things but we should never lose sight of what we're talking about which is people.

For instance I am a gay man and I agree with you I find myself drifting further and further away from the LGBT because of their values. Yes I'm a gay man but I'm also an American and the Texan and I love my country and in a lot of circles that makes me conservative.

You think you've seen the worst the LGBT can do you've seen nothing. Be a gay person that doesn't agree with them. They want to speak for me and I tell them no. So if you alienate gay people from the discussion or from your position they're just going to go to the LGBT because it's where they get acceptance. Already the people who agree with the lgbt outnumber the people lesbian gay bisexual and transgender.

 

All an agenda is, is a plan. Sexuality became political not because of Democrats, but because of Democrats and Republicans and Christians.

The Democrats use it so effectively as a bludgeoned against Christians because when they started out they were right, the Christians were wrong. They've been wrong before and they had to take their medicine has the world changed. Think of Galileo. He discovered observable truth and the church didn't want to have anything to do with it because the observable truth went against their doctorate. And the church was dealt a massive blow and it should have been Christians were wrong.

If the church and Christians just quit worrying about be all things to all people he wouldn't keep getting the crap kicked out of them.

I can make a list of all the things the church was wrong about, and that they fought tooth-and-nail over even though they knew they were wrong just because they wanted to be the authority.

It's okay if you don't want to accept homosexuality as normal that's fine it's okay if you don't want to view them as godly people. But you don't have the right to force that crap on the rest of the world and it's going to cost you if you try.

I don't think it's right when a baker gets forced into closing because they get sued for not baking a cake for a gay wedding. I don't think it's right for schools and administrators to force parents to accept their 6 year old transitioning. But the fight against this kind of crap is hindered when Christians preach about things that they have already been proven wrong about.

For instance if I find myself agreeing with a young Earth creationist about something like transitioning a child at the age of 7 from male to female is that discredits me and therefore the whole position I hold because I agree with someone who absolutely denies the fact of evolution.

This is why Christianity doesn't have credibility that Christians think it should.

Instead of worrying about Democrats and gay people remove the beam from your own eye.

 

It is all. How many of these ex-gay people are sexually abused as children. It's like 90% Target people who are suffering broken and not people who didn't go through this kind of like how I AA targets the easily manipulated.

It's almost like how cult recruits. Why don't we ever hear from someone escape the lifestyle that wasn't horribly molested or abused as a child? Particularly by family? Is it because they don't need this acceptance and family environment that this cult offers?

Religious cults seek the weak and the broken because that's who they can brainwash and manipulate. It's much easier to control someone who is suffering with addiction then it is a normal person and that's why we don't see normal people in this ex gay cult.

 

Do you think acts (saying words is an act) are not informed by a behavioral pattern?

 

I could accept that choice plays a role in the development of a homosexual person but something being "partially a choice" doesn't make sense. It ether a choice or not.

 

I think most of the western world is. It's mostly Christian objection in the US but I lived in the UK for a while and there were gay haters there too. They just didn't, for the most part, wrap it up in religion because it's not that religious a country like here. It was just open discrimination because they could get away with it which they can't now, it's really frowned upon.

Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure we were far more accepting of transgender people than gays in the past. Admittedly they were rare but people just accepted that and "sex changes" as part of the medical panoply of treatment. Transgenderism was seen as far less of a "choice" then homosexuality. I think the turn towards transgenders is because it's not OK to bash gays anymore so social conservatives need a new target. Since Obergefell, acceptance of homosexuality has skyrocketed to the point it's no longer an issue even with a Republican administration. Nobody cares anymore and social conservatives are so 2004.

Case-in-point, just a few years back this thread would have about 40 contributors and run about 60 pages by now. Yet, here we are and relative crickets?

 

That was their non Christian version of ex gay ministries in the UK?

It's paranoia to suggest that conservatives need someone to bash besides Nobody is really bashing anybody they just don't want to accept a person is female if she has a penis. Which is completely reasonable.

yeah that's really just here though. Look at most of the threads here. They are about transgender issues. If you ask me it's the wrong subforum. Gay and lesbian is not transgender. Lgbt has been reduced to T. It's odd all the hoopla about it and most trans people just want to be left alone.

The noise people make is almost always disproportionate to the reality, and the only reason is politics.

 

Not quite what I was trying to say and I apologize if I was unclear. I think there are people who are born to prejudice and they seek that prejudice through what ever lens is available to them. In the UK religion isn't that prevalent (particularly in the political realm) so anti-gay sentiment is/was more of a secular thing. I'm sure those exact same people would find a way to express their prejudice through connection with a Church if they happened to be in the US instead. It's within them, they're just looking for an outlet. It's not confined to Christianity it just seems to be attached to which ever religion (or ideology) has the most political clout in any given country. Homosexuals aren't always the target. It can be disbelievers or people who wash their clothes on Friday instead of Tuesday. Basically anybody who doesn't abide by the rules the (sometimes religious) mob lays down for them

I'm not saying that all Christians are given to prejudice. They aren't but sometimes prejudice is more easy to express under sigil of a "badge".