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  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Stop moving the goal posts. It does not matter now. Obama was against until it was political advantageous to be for it. Obama the flip flopper
     
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    There is no moving of the goal posts here. You can change the question to any example and it's still asking the same thing. SHould a Christian law maker vote to make it illegal to open a store on Sunday? Should a Christian lawmaker vote for an amendment to the Constitution that would define marriage as between one man and one woman only, thus overriding Obergefell?

    You will continue to dodge, because you cannot factually answer this question without destroying your position. Prove me wrong.
     
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    Yes there is,Show the politician that is doing that
     
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    Christians don't support a man who calls for cold-blooded murder, torture, and attacks peaceful protesters.

    So no Christians support trump. Not a single one.
     
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    Now who is moving the goal posts? You are the one who is talking about what kind of candidate a Christian voter votes for, which in turn indicates what laws/bills that candidate would vote for. You have dodged again.

    Let me remind you of what you said.

    Should a Christian law maker vote to make it illegal to open a store on Sunday? Should a Christian lawmaker vote for an amendment to the Constitution that would define marriage as between one man and one woman only, thus overriding Obergefell? Should a Christian lawmaker vote against transgender rights?

    Once more i predict that you will fail to answer these questions since any actual answer will destroy your position. This is why you continually dodge the questions. Please prove me wrong. So far you have only proved me right.
     
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    Problem is that is all lies and democrat propaganda
     
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    Correct not what the politician will do.

    Show the politician that is doing that. I do not respond to what if
     
  8. Maquiscat

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    Your whole statement is based on what if.

    But we can play. Let's go with has already been done. So given that there were states that passed laws prior to Obergefell, defining marriage as one man and one woman only, A good Christian law maker would be one who voted for such a law, correct?
     
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    Not at all. You are showing your hate. Unlike democrats that look for the D no matter who it is. I look at several issues.Including taxes and employment views as well as military. You want to make it all about social issues. Democrats are wrong on the military and taxes and entitlements as well as social issues
     
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    Military and taxes are not morals issues. You complain about moving the goal post, and then do it. Once again you dodged instead of answering the question.

    So once again for reference:
    Should a Christian law maker vote to make it illegal to open a store on Sunday? Should a Christian lawmaker vote for an amendment to the Constitution that would define marriage as between one man and one woman only, thus overriding Obergefell? Should a Christian lawmaker vote against transgender rights?

    You will once again prove you are incapable of answering a straight question based upon what you claim a Christian should vote upon.
     
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    You don't understand that many voters have many issues they look at when voting. They don't just look for the D like you do. You don't care what a democrats view is on issues. Another no information democrat voter

    Once again show the politician that is proposing what you claim. You show you know nothing about Christians
     
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    Actually I rarely vote R or D, with some exceptions. Gov Hogan of MD (R) is doing great in this crisis and I will vote for him again, as I will for Peter Franchot (D), Comptroller of MD.

    But you still dodged. You said:

    You are indicating the issue that Christians vote for, not the overall. So then by the first statement: "You don't understand that many voters have many issues they look at when voting.", you indicate that a Christian might vote for a law candidate who would vote to make/keep same sex marriage legal, if there were multiple other issues that they would vote for in the Christian moral way. Yet in the second statement, you indicate that a Christian would never vote to make/keep same sex marriage legal. So which is it?

    And once again:

    Should a Christian law maker vote to make it illegal to open a store on Sunday? Should a Christian lawmaker vote for an amendment to the Constitution that would define marriage as between one man and one woman only, thus overriding Obergefell? Should a Christian lawmaker vote against transgender rights?

    Naturally, you will once again dodge the questions, since answering all the questions here directly would destroy your arguments.
     
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    That is true. What would they vote for democrats that hate Christians?

    https://wallbuilders.com/americas-biblically-hostile-u-s-president/
     
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    You are still dodging the question. Are you intellectually incapable of answering simple question?

    You said:
    I'll just boil this down to one single question since you seem to be overwhelmed by having too many. Does a Christian voter, vote for a law maker, that would then vote for an amendment to make legal marriage defined as one man and one woman only?

    You will of course dodge this question as you have all the previous question, because you know it will destroy your argument. Please prove me wrong. So far I have called 100% of your dodges. I have a perfect record here, and you have a perfect failure in answering simple questions.
     
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    You keep bring up what ifs. Gay marriage is now law it will not be changed
     
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    Your ignorance of the constitution is glaring. First off, every vote cast is based on a what if. What if this law passed, what if that candidate is elected. Setting that aside for the moment, the only way to override Obergefell is a constitutional amendment, and that is a possibility. So what does a Christian lawmaker vote for? A Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as one man one woman only, or against that amendment?
     
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    ou show you have nothing but your hate for Christians. I have shown facts and you keep spinning and moving the goal posts. No one is going to try and get rid of gay marriage. It is more likely they would come against abortion
     
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    Abortion is the one topic I want to avoid since there is another life there, and there is a big controversy as to that status under the constitution. I would rather stick with something to deals only with already born person, such as SSM does. I am willing to use whatever topic you wish, as long as it is one that deals with Christian morals vs non-Christians (religious or non-religious) morals. But from the sounds of this it seems like you are saying that a Christian shouldn't even look at getting an amendment change to deal with SSM. So what topic is it you wish to use?

    I've got $10 riding that you dodge even this question.
     
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    So you will ignore why Christians vote. You show you want what you want and truth does not matter to you. You want to make up what ifs that will never happen You have no credibility or integrity. that makes you a typical democrat
     
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    This is what I am trying to get out of you, but all you are doing is dodging questions. Straight questions that have never changed from the goal. I even give you the chance to put something out there that is not a what if (even though there has been plenty already) and you still dodge. You can't claim integrity or credibility when you can't even answer the questions presented.

    Also, not a Democrat, nor a Republican, and never have been. You will not find my name registered to either of these two parties.

    BTW, thanks for the $10. I've doubled the bet to $20 that you will fail to answer any of the previous questions. Seriously, you put out what supposedly Christians will not vote for or vote against rather. How hard is it to put out what they WILL vote for?
     
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    I am not dodging. you are spinning and moving the goal posts. You sound like a hateful democrats trying to use glitchy BS. Christians vote for morality as in there Bible and for conservative values like lower taxes and paying down the debt and securing there border
     
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    Christians vote for morality to become law? Is that correct?

    Up $30 now. I've upped the bet to $40.
     
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    Their you go again wanting me to fall for you gotcha crap. You show you know nothing about Christians and you ignore most of what I post
     
  24. Maquiscat

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    Then explain what "Christians vote for morality" means in the terms of what they vote for

    $70. I'm thinking I should up this next bet to $100, but they won't bet against me anymore.
     
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    I have you are just trolling now
     

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