Texas Cop Fatally Shoots Black Woman In Her Own Home During Welfare Check

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    This thread has been a great reminder of how thankful I ought to be to live where I do.
     
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    You don’t seem to understand that the neighbors knew each other. He called for a welfare check on someone he knew, in a strange situation in the middle of the night.

    Dont worry though, I won’t help YOU in any situation at all. Even if you just have a flat tire, or need a jump start, or worse. Wouldn’t want to help anyone with your attitude anyways. You seem like a very irrational angry person and I hope you’re able to overcome it. Enjoy yourself, you’re now on ignore. I will never know if YOU even exist anymore after this.
     
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    I've had the cops let me know when I've left my garage door open at night. I appreciate it. Neighbors where I live also look out for each other. That's not a bad thing. I agree it is stupid to suggest race was a factor in this - seems like 2nd degree murder. A bit tough not to react if you see someone point a gun at you, if that's what happened, but you're snooping around on their property.
     
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    The fact is, the cop did NOT identify himself and for some weird reason could not go up to the front door and knock or call out like any normal person would do...leaving your front door open is not a crime.
     
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    The cop was a complete moron but how is this racially motivated? Mind boggling why he couldn’t just knock. Newbie and now he’ll be spending a long time in jail.
     
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    I felt it was completely one sided against the cop till I heard a comment made by the news reporter last night (I believe it was on NBC). He said the eight year old nephew that was playing video games with the victim had said something similar to: She was concerned about something going on outside and she got her gun. That gave me pause. If you're the cop and you're prepared to say "show me your hands, get your hands up" and while you're saying that you observe the person you're saying that to is pointing a gun at you do You wait till you're finished with your warning or do you think you're about to get shot and hope your shot gets off first?
     
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    What you do is knock on the front door and identify yourself as the police so the householder doesn't think you are a burglar...it is common sense...snooping around outside a person's house can get you shot.

    This cop did NOT identify himself as the police...and never gave the woman time to respond...he was stupid and cowardly....he just needs to go...
     
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    Did she have a gun? I didnt read that part. If she did, then my opinion changes.
     
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    Update

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aaron-...r-charge-atatiana-jefferson-death-2019-10-15/

    Fort Worth, Texas – Aaron Dean, a white former police officer, is out on bond after being arrested and charged with murder for shooting Atatiana Jefferson, a 28-year-old black woman, inside her Texas home. He was responding to a neighbor's call for a wellness check.

    Dean resigned before he could be fired from the Fort Worth Police Department Monday.
     
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    I don't think it's been confirmed yet if she had the gun on her or if it was only in the house, but yes, either way she was in her right to have it, especially if she thought someone was breaking into her back yard

    that said, if she did not have it on her and was just in the house and the police released that picture of the gun anyways, that would be upsetting as that would give me the imprecation they were trying to make it look like she was armed when she was shot - I am glad they have cop cams now as that is the only way this victim has a chance at justice
     
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    I think the problem is more the cops actions then the neighbors actions, the cop could have just knocked on the front door, made sure all was ok, she would have said, yep, everything is fine, thanks for checking and everything would have turned out fine
     
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    Yes, her nephew said she got out her gun when she heard noises in the backyard. She did the right thing and the cop did all the wrong things..
     
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    Yep. 100%.
     
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    I hope the city has to pay for any help the nephew may need after seeing his aunt gunned down in front of him.

    And some will wonder why this black kid may grow up distrusting/fearing/hating cops...
     
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    totally agree, I have said this in another tread, if a cop sees you with a gun, they may shoot you.... as they only have to claim they "thought" in their own mind you were a treat, you do not really have to be a threat

    cops should have to go by the same rules you or I would, I can not just shoot someone cause I think they might be a threat cause I am sneaking around their back yard to make sure they are ok, cause if I am wrong, I will be punished, this cop was wrong, this was a wrongful death... I do not think it was murder, but it was a homicide, at least manslaughter imo
     
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    The woman heard a noise outside and being a responsible person taking care of a child, she grabbed her gun for self defense. THAT WAS HER RIGHT!

    The idiot cop snooped around outside and scared her. He should have knocked on the door and stated loudly he was a police officer.....not shoot onto her house and kill her. They need to throw the book at him.

    I was not happy with the sentence the other female cop got either who should have gotten at least 30 years. No one should be sought and murdered in there own homes.

    If we know this, these so called cops who were extensively trained, should know too.
     
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    If you're a cop and you're asked to check out a house because the front door is open, you might allow yourself to think that possibly someone broke into the house. If that's what happened, the last thing you want to do is knock on the door and loudly declare: "Hello, this is the police" for fear of what a bad guy could do if he had broken into the house and was still there. It was a difficult spot for the cop to be in. If the nephews story of her having a gun is true, this will not just be a simple open and shut case.
     
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    Any color eight year old would be traumatized by seeing that. The guys inappropriate handling of the call is what led to him having a gun pointed at his face. If she had been white she'd be just as dead now.
     
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    That ,is exactly what the cop should have done, declared himself.....he had NO idea what was going on and could not ASSume anything.

    Look what happened because he didn't !



    Obviously a "difficult " spot for the homeowner to be in.



    Why? She heard a noise in her backyard and got her gun out for protection.

    IF the cop saw her he should have declared he was the police...he said nothing but "drop the gun" and then shot her shot her instantaneously......
     
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    I'm grateful that during my seven years as a cop I was never in the same scenario.
     
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    If cops don’t want to risk injury or death in the workplace they need to do something else. Like landscaping, traveling sales, trash collecting, or supervising mechanics.

    Oh...wait...those jobs are more dangerous, not less. Cops just want to go home to their families after their shift. Yeh, who doesn’t. The rest of us just can’t “off” the risks we face to accomplish that.
     
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    Seems like a tragic accident, she pulled a gun thinking they were a threat and probably was surprised by them. Hopefully this guy will get off at court and go on to have a successful life and career. For all those who are slagging him off you are just anti-police bigots and hypocrites who wouldn't hesitate to squeal for 911 when you need their help.
     
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    She didn't shoot her weapon. She was alone with a child and her sick mom, had men creeping around her home at 2am and yet she showed more restraint than trained law enforcement. That's a crime right there.

    If you don't know your neighbor enough to surmise that they might be enjoying a cool breeze through the screen door, than you have no business calling the cops because of your paranoia.
     
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    Why do you feel differently now though? If you're in your own home, and a couple of men, are skulking around outside your home, it makes perfect sense to get your weapon.

    So today's cops lack common sense? Was he totally unaware that he might frighten that home owner? He had more options and resources than she did.
     
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